RIR's and New Hampshire Reds?

[punky rooster]

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could you show pics?

 

[punky rooster]

are you saying that this bird from a hatchery is the same breed as this birds from Bob Blosl?

they really are a difrent breed.
punky

 

[spartacus_63]

your birds are production birds not the real true Rhode Island Red. no hatchery that i know of has real RIR. the they are two diffrent breeds production birds from hatcheries and pure old line bred birds.

So if I say your birds are mutts, does that make it so? You are showing your ignorance of the breed and have limited your horizons.​

 

[spartacus_63]

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Since I do not know anything about that bird, or the hatchery that it came from I can not speak to it's breed. What I can say is that Bob is a well respected breeder and is well known for his RIR stock among others. But his RIRs are no more RIRs than mine. My birds meet the APA SOP guidelines. They are not a champion line and I'm sure Bob could put his worst bird against my best bird and win in the show ring w/o any argument.

Let me just ask this question: In a breeder operation that is breeding for SQ, how many birds get culled out of a hatch? How many chicks are hatched before you get a ribbon winning bird? How many ribbon winning birds come from any ribbon winning bird? And lastly, are all those birds that got culled a different breed?

 

[spartacus_63]

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could you show pics?

This is the only recent picture I have of the McMurray birds. It is a 12 month old Rooster and not a good shot. he was just over 8 1/2 lbs when this pic was taken. If your really interested, I can take pics and post them.

 

[punky rooster]

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So if I say your birds are mutts, does that make it so? You are showing your ignorance of the breed and have limited your horizons.

sorry if i sound that way to you. I am just trying to say that hatchery birds are mostly for egg laying, they breed for quantity not quality I to have production reds from my local feed store some are good sized and are good layers. If you look one more time in the "heritage rules" they must be a standard bred bird as I have already stated hatcheries breed for quantity not quality. Most breeders try to breed their birds to the standard. I am not trying to be ignorant or anything and I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feeling.
punky

 

[punky rooster]

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So if I say your birds are mutts, does that make it so? You are showing your ignorance of the breed and have limited your horizons.

let me ask you a question. Do consider your reds true RIRs?

 

[Chris09]

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If you think that then you have a lot to learn about Reds [or chickens in general].

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If you think so, OK.

Chris

 

[spartacus_63]

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If you think that then you have a lot to learn about Reds [or chickens in general].

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If you think so, OK.

Chris

I agree with you Chris, I have a lot to learn about chickens. But that does not mean that your RIR birds are any more true to breed than mine are. It just means that your birds have been bred to look a specific way.

I have RIR birds because while I was researching prior to purchase, the information I found on the breed fit very well into my goals. If they were a broody breed, I probably wouldn't have any other breed. I want a vigorous, hearty, sustainable flock, just like the folks in RI & MA back in the 1840s. Now if that's not heritage.

 

[Chris09]

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If you think that then you have a lot to learn about Reds [or chickens in general].

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If you think so, OK.

Chris

I agree with you Chris, I have a lot to learn about chickens. But that does not mean that your RIR birds are any more true to breed than mine are. It just means that your birds have been bred to look a specific way.

I have RIR birds because while I was researching prior to purchase, the information I found on the breed fit very well into my goals. If they were a broody breed, I probably wouldn't have any other breed. I want a vigorous, hearty, sustainable flock, just like the folks in RI & MA back in the 1840s. Now if that's not heritage.

A good percentage of hatcheries sell cross bred chickens as, "pure bred".
The best example would be the chicks that they call Araucanas other examples would be -
Wyandottes with single combs,
Rhode Island Whites with single combs,
Rhode Island Red,
Barred Rocks,
Dominique

If will mislead the buyer with these breeds who is to say they aren't misleading buyers on all the other breeds they sell?

So with that being said, I would believe that yes Bob's, or Don Nelson or mine or any other person that got there Red's from a good breeder are more pure bred than hatchery stock/ yours.

Chris