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My hope for the first one is that its hackle feathers look rounded to me. Though it also might have some saddle feathers developing. I was soooo hoping for a couple, at least.
Hatched around September 8th or 9th. About 9-10 weeks.How old are they? I believe both are cockerels, but I am not 100 % on that.
I'm sorry for your bad experienceYes, my experience has definitely been disappointing at best. I have had to feed and put forth a lot of effort to get rid of dozens of cockerels they didn't want. I won't be dealing with them in the future.
If either is a pullet, I will be happy. They're quite flighty, so it's hard to get near them. Their combs are also somewhat flattish, but definitely pink. My fingers are crossed.Orloffs must be slow to develop, because these look younger than 9 to 10 weeks to me. Some close ups of the combs and wattles would help.
My gut reaction is that the first one is a cockerel and the second may be a pullet. But that's just a first impression. I think you would do best to wait a couple more weeks before trying again. In the mean time, watch comb size and redness. Big & red usually means a cockerel.