School districts, layoffs and other things of interest....

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Wow, alot have I stirred. First of all with out belaboring the point, if an immigrant landed on our shores and say visited the Washington DC area and say they took the time to read some inscriptions say on the Washington monument and then they wandered over to the Capital building in time for the inauguarl prayer lead by an ordained minister, then they stroll on over to the Lincoln memorial and see the mural of the ANGEL of truth freeing slaves then they find a coin with wording In God We Trust then they say oh I don't know maybe watch the swearing in of the President with the aid of a Bible then they visit the Statue of Liberty and see the Roman numerals depicting the date of our Declaration of Independence (I think that subject has been covered) thenthey visit the Supreme Court and see the Ten Commandments etched along side Moses on the entrance and on the doors and above where the Chief Justice sits. Now does anyone wanna guess what the immigrant thinks about what our countries moral origins are? Our founding fathers crafted the Declaration of Indepence as representatives of 13 colonies with their views and beliefs. I hardly think that these inscriptions andcountless other were put in place by mere chance. Aquaeyes you must of missed those facts.

A little something I found


James Madison, the fourth president, known as "The Father of Our Constitution" made the following statement "We have staked the whole of all our political institutions upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God."


Patrick Henry, that patriot and Founding Father of our country said, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists but by Christians, not on religions but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ".


Every session of Congress begins with a prayer by a paid preacher, whose salary has been paid by the taxpayer since 1777.


Fifty-two of the 55 founders of the Constitution were members of the established orthodox churches in the colonies.


Thomas Jefferson worried that the Courts would overstep their authority and instead of interpreting the law would begin making law....an oligarchy....the rule of few over many.


The very first Supreme Court Justice, John Jay, said, "Americans should select and prefer Christians as their rulers."
 
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/religion/capital.asp

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Aquaeyes, I posted my nieces' comment without finishing my thought (I was interrupted) She said it was creepy not me. I was sharing her opinion and it reminded me of a guy not unlike you as much as I know you mind you that I went to school with. I was a freshman he was a senior, he was 22 years old and was getting his Diploma which was cool. But I remember that it was odd to see a 22 year old among teenagers. I was friends with him and he told me that he was told to not touch or date any girls in the highschool by the Principal and my female friends all said that it was creepy or weird cannot really remember exactly (their words) I have no problem with you or anyone returning to school to get smarter for whatever reason I really don't care. But to the younger folk apparently it is creepy otherwise they would not say it was.

With all the free tuition money I might be tempted go to school also but really don't know why as I enjoy my business.
 
Ahem,Is snopes always right? I read the snopes article it doesn't offer any proof only a mere contradiction. The other inscriptions that are there all over our capital do they mean anything? My wife has read them personally. The inscriptions speak for themselves, I will admit that a lot of quotes are taken out of context and presented as facts and I am willing to dismiss them as unreliable I mean I can go on the web and find tit for tat quotes to support my views as well as you can. But you cannot dismiss the inscriptions like on the Washington monument and practically all the Federal Buildings and not to mention the State Government buildings you cannot honestly say they represent atheism or agnosticism. Pontius Pilate asked Jesus what truth was, tell me why he did that I want to hear your reasoning on that not your professors or Wikepedias views but yours. Do a google on "Laus deo" it is on top of the Washington Monument. You notice in the snopes that Moses was referenced as a lawgiver. isn't he in the Bible? Ahem...
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I wish retired school workers were not permitted to get rehired. They get their retirement benefits,a salary,and prevent newly graduated teachers and various school officials(like would-be principals) from getting a job. I think that is wrong. If they want to work fine,but they should not be able to get retirement money AND a salary. New teachers with new ideas-it is a shame they don't get a chance.

I did public school,college,and a few years in European schools.Learning can be fun.To be honest though I have learned far more teaching myself these past few years than I ever did in the school settings. You don't need a *class* to learn something.You can find a mentor willing to share their knowledge. Now if you need a degree then school is the only way to go.
 
I have tried not to post on this thread, but decided I am going to. On Thomas Jefferson who had a black mistress who gave birth to at least 6 of his children. He had written a book earlier that stated that slaves (blacks) where no smarter then an animal and had to be controlled and owned by a white person. I do think he learned something different as he aged. I think all people do this also. Aqua eyes I have read your posts many times. I see a lot of quotes and facts that support your point but when others post facts that support theirs you just put up some site that says those are wrong. My question is why is that if someone can disprove your facts why not accept that. I think that the men who wrote the constitution did use religion in setting it up why because to them their beliefs where what let to declaration of Independence. Do I agree with most christian beliefs NO but I respect those who do. I think if every person respect every ones else beliefs this world would be a better place. I am also sure that every great person who helped found this great Country made many quotes and maybe even changed their thinking. So both sides could use their quotes to make their point. Does it matter if the based their choices on the bible or not no not really I am just glad that they did make those choices which lead to this great country being founded. To all the great teachers on here and who have touched my life and the lives of my children I thank you with all my heart. I do think we need to redo the education system in this country. I hate all the standard test that they make the students test for, here the students are spending over 12 weeks of the school year studying for these test which means everything else gets cut from the learning History, Science, math ect. I now home school my youngest son. He was so board that he just gave up. Now he is doing college work he is 15.
 
Unlike most posters Aquaeyes always offers evidence for his assertions. His evidence is usually accurate evidence vs the regurgitation of talking points so often seen on here. I believe he is just trying to show that the country was not founded as a country for Christians. Christians at this time and since the beginning of our country have been the majority. It stands to reason that there would be Christian symbols on some of our monuments. That doesn't mean we were founded on Christianity. The original settlers came to Plymouth Rock because of religious freedom.

Religion is a private issue and should be kept out of the public square. Evangelism doesn't have a place in our public domain. People should have the right to shut the door in the face of people fulfilling their desperate need to spread the word. Having our tax dollars spent to put the word in our face is wrong. Having it taught in a public school is beyond wrong. Keep your religion where it belongs. I would much rather have my tax dollars spent feeding the needy than pushing unprovable ideas on people.
 
Again....education

I don't think this country and it's framers founded the country on Christian principals. If some principal predates a biblical principal, it still is a biblical principal, but you cannot argue that the principal's origins are Christian or Jewish. It is a fallacious argument. There were law and religions before Christianity, and yes the US is part of western society which Christianity has had a significant role; this does not mean the government of this country or any other are based on this religion.

As for Thomas Jefferson and Sallie Hemings; I'm not sure what this has to do with education funding. It seems to be speaking to the changing view point of Jefferson during the course of his life. His children by Sallie Hemings, his wife's half sister, were considered white by Virginia law because they were 7/8 white. They were also slaves because their mother was a slave. Members of the Hemings family were the only slaves freed during Jefferson's lifetime and his two remaining children were freed after his death. The most significant role in their relationship was not as lovers, but as master and slave. He owned her, and about 100 other people.

Many of our founding fathers were slave owners. Slavery is one of the great tragedies that our country has a hard time reconciling with the great principals that our forefathers stood for. It is highly contradictory to believe that the same people who wrote and signed their names to the "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal" could also own people. I do not excuse it, but the world changes; and the meaning of the words written in the Declaration have expanded to include all people. George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, James Munroe, James Madison and others all owned slaves.
 
I just have to say...good job everyone keeping this civil.

I expected someone to go off on a trolling, ranting or bashing streak pages ago, and get this thread shut down.

Thanks for wearing your grown-up hats!!!!!!!!!!
 
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