Shadrach's Ex Battery and Rescued chickens thread.

@Shadrach, regarding a point you made "imprinting" in your article on rooster behavior, would you please elaborate on this a bit?
--"As soon as the mother hen allows the rooster to imprint the chicks, the chicks come under that rooster's protection"

What does this look like?

Is it important that the eggs were fertilized by that particular rooster? Would he know if another rooster was the father?

I ask this because I've shared that there's two hens mothering chicks right now on our farm: Tina and her brood of 3 (3 weeks old) and Patucha and her 1 chick, Solo (12 days old). None of these chicks hatched from eggs fertilized by the cockerel Lucio, but by his brother Paco who unfortunately died by drowning in a pond. I guess the formerly silent and not-mating Lucio was just waiting for his chance, however, because within 48 hours of Paco's passing, he was crowing and mating.

It all coincided with the week the two mothers started brooding eggs, So Lucio might think these chicks are "his" anyway -- if that even matters.

(Sorry if these questions about the rooster being the father seem silly... I guess it's a way to observe what you mentioned here:
--"An interesting observation would be should the father of the chick not be the senior rooster, but be in the same tribe."


I've seen Lucio interacting with Tina's crew. He brusquely rips out pieces of grass and tosses it at them. His manner is different from the awkwardly charming way he wooed his mate Rusty with treats. He's more like, "Eat this, you rugrats." Is this how he imprints them?

I'm keeping Patucha and Solo in a large (3m x 1.5m) screened enclosure that I can move around the giving her fresh scratching ground every day. Solo is still a bit tiny for the jungle, but I'll be letting them range free out in a week or so, hoping she and Tina will at least ignore each other. If they fight or attack each other's chicks, I can always use the enclosure to rotate moms and chicks in and out so they all get ample free range time. I've seen Lucio close to Patucha and Solos enclosure as well. I didn't see him offer grass, but that doesn't mean he hasn't.

Do you have any recommendations for letting this play out with as little interference as possible, but to avoid a potentially injured chick? Is there anything I should be cautious of in this dynamic with the rival mother hens? I admit I'm feeling a bit more leery of the little chicks getting hurt, than I was of a fast moving pullet who can fly into a tree.

Much appreciation for your insights.

What does this look like?
It looks like this.:)
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This is a very protective Ruffles (mother) allowing Cillin (father) to imprint their chicks.

The rooster lowers his head to line his eye up with theirs and he stays in this position for a few seconds. He may even give the chick a gentle tap on the head once the imprinting is over.
As you can imagine, this sends some of the wannabe chicken momas into hysterics and high drama if they see it and the next thing you know there are a spat of kill the rooster posts.:he

Whether the rooster knows if they are his chicks or not is an interesting question. I believe they do but have no way of proving it.

There is as larger range of fathering behaviour as there is mothering behaviour.
Some roosters are baby gaga and others don't want much to do with them. Some will feed the chicks, others won't.

Is there anything I should be cautious of in this dynamic with the rival mother hens?

What I can write is I have never had a rooster harm any chicks be they his own, from his tribe, or from another tribe. I can't say it never happens but from my observations and from some of the more reliable members of BYC and of course the people I know who keep chickens, it's so rare it isn't worth worrying about.
Mothers and other hens however are a different story. I've had mother kill their chicks and attack another mothers chicks. Not often, but it happens.

Tribal conflict between mother hens who free range is pretty common ime. If one has plenty of room it's rarely an issue and the mothers either avoid each other or fight. Occasionally one gets an auntie hen in a tribe who thinks mum isn't looking after the chicks properly. I've had a couple of these. Mum may be tucking into some food and auntie will barge in and take the food and give it to the chicks.:love If you see this then auntie is your next favourite broody hen and you should let her sit and hatch should she go broody.

Do you have any recommendations for letting this play out with as little interference as possible, but to avoid a potentially injured chick?
Don't interfere at all. We (humans) do not understand enough about chicken politics and chicken behaviour in general to make the right decisions.
Chicks are a dime a dozen in the chicken world. Most mothers don't seem to even notice if they lose a chick here and there. As long as they have one chick to mother they carry on with the job.
Roughly one third of the chicks I've known hatch didn't make it to adulthood.
Not a major issue for you I suspect but in places with a hight predator load it's the mothers and fathers you need to protect, not the chicks. This isn't a view that goes down well for those South of the Mason/Dixon line in the USA where the chicks life is viewed as most important by the wannabe mums.
The logic is however, a good broody mum will go broody again and have another go at hatching and rearing chicks. They tend to get better with practice. Lose a few chicks here and there is not pleasant but they can quickly be replaced. A good broody mum is worth her weight in gold as are good fathers
 
Personally, I think buying ex-farm chickens is really a drop in the ocean. We need to change the animal industry with al its flaws.
It is, they are, a drop in the ocean. All those little drops are what makes the ocean.;)
Getting a few hens of ones own that are not production hens and pretenting one is waging a war against the large commercial concerns doesn't have any impact on the commercial producers. It just makes the person who bought the hens feel better.

Furthermore I refuse to spend ridiculous much money on a vet trying to give an ex-farm chicken a longer life.
In general I agree with this but not because of the financial cost. A life is a unit thing. One unit is worth exactly the same as the next. An elephant doesn't have more life than a chicken, or a human.
If one is going to take the view you've described then logic dictates that one would apply this to humans as well. It's not a view I would take just because it happens to be an Ex Battery hen and therefore worthless.

Those who do spend large amounts of money to save their chickens lives I have a great deal of respect for. I don't have that sort of money and I'm limited to what's affordable and practicable in the circumstances I have.
As I mentioned at the start of this thread, I will house and care for these rescues and Ex Battery hens as best I can and that will include treating those illnesses and pathogen/pest problems to the best of my ability. If I could find a vet like Gloria I had in Catalonia I would take the chicken there in a heartbeat. I can't here. I can't even find a vet locally that I have the slightest confidence in. It seems from what I've found so far I know more than the vets I've spoken to but I don't have the equpment and drugs.
 
I started with rescues so I know I don't have the stomach for it. I am more & more inclined towards bantams. The big hens are getting too hard for me to handle as I age & while I would always want Campines they are on the smaller side for a standard.

Of the 9 hens I have remaining, 6 are bantams & even they will forage the entire 1/2 acre we are presently on. They seem to be far healthier overall & any meddling with their genetics has been for looks rather than egg production.

For me it's simple. As a vegetarian I do need good quality eggs for protein but that aside any animal I've interacted with bonds in some way. That bonding means I do my best to give the animals in my care the best life possible. While they forage all day they are still reliant on me for dinner, to look after them if they get sick, to provide water & shelter because they are not wild birds. They follow me round the yard ~ in case I unearth witchety grubs 🤢 They call for me in the morning & come when I call them to bed in the evenings. Our shared interaction is a mutual agreement. I meddle in their societal arrangements as little as possible & debate over who gets to eat the silverbeet I planted.🤣 The reality is neither animal nor humans life is ever going to be perfect but we can agree to share resources & muddle along together.

On the other hand the possums have to go! I suspect them of eating all the grapes... 🤣
Lovely to see you posting Ribh. I'm taking it as a sign that life has got more stable for you.:love
 
my attempt to break Whitford's broodiness has backfired, sadly. Having driven her out of the various nesting boxes she occupied, but not crated her, she's now nesting somewhere secret. I assumed some of the flock were laying away already, and now I'm guessing she's found it/one of the secret nests and is sitting on however many or few, fresh or old, eggs are in it... :th I will have to wait till she reappears, don my deerstalker and hopefully track her back to wherever she spent last night :rolleyes:
Nest hunting. I can't say I miss it given the climate here. I hope you find her. I used to wait until they appeared for food etc and then follow them back to the nest. I've been within a metre and not seen the nest.:barnie
 
my attempt to break Whitford's broodiness has backfired, sadly. Having driven her out of the various nesting boxes she occupied, but not crated her, she's now nesting somewhere secret. I assumed some of the flock were laying away already, and now I'm guessing she's found it/one of the secret nests and is sitting on however many or few, fresh or old, eggs are in it... :th I will have to wait till she reappears, don my deerstalker and hopefully track her back to wherever she spent last night :rolleyes:
Incidentally, your current experience adds weight to the theory that hens know they are going to sit and hatch long before they sit on the clutch.
 
Lovely to see you posting Ribh. I'm taking it as a sign that life has got more stable for you.:love
Yes, thank you, Shad. I took this place for 6 months with the possibility of 3 years. The 3 years is now pretty solid so I can build flock numbers again & seriously consider the vegetable garden. ❤️
 
I have a close up of it, currently in the broodies and their babies photo contest here
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/broodies-their-babies-photo-contest.1576958/post-26795782

Chirk remains motionless until he's eyeballed each and every chick, but thereafter he has little to do with them - he leaves broody and baby daycare to a subordinate roo!
What a great picture. That's exactly what I wrote about. Not many pictures of this around. Can I make a copy please?
 

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