Shaws call duck incubation thread (hatch a wonderful(worthless to Ralphie) dux thread)

[CayugaJana]

To complicate the angel wing theories even further, statistically it is more likely to occur in drakes and specifically in the left wing.

Yea that sure is a head scratcher.....

 

[shawluvsbirds]

To complicate the angel wing theories even further, statistically it is more likely to occur in drakes and specifically in the left wing.

I've heard that. Guess my pastel girl didn't get that memo

 

[shawluvsbirds]

I know I've said this before but it makes no sense to me that it is claimed to be happening by people feeding bread and such to ducks and geese in parks, but then it's also claimed that it's too much protein. . how could it be both. Bread doesn't have that much protein in it. . I could understand if it was said to be caused by a nutrient deficiency. It seems to me protein can't be the issue at all if it's showing up in wild human fed birds. I just wonder if it's not more the issue in those circumstances there would be lots of inbreeding going on due to concentrated numbers in the park areas. Which brings me back to a genetic flaw.

Comments anyone?

 

[Pyxis]

"Because of the discussions I have heard over the years on the cause of angel wing, I did a search for all research on the subject. The best article was one written by Janet Kear, who is the Senior Scientific Officer of The Wildlife Trust in Great Britain. Some of the researchers feel the condition is genetic, but others have proven it is not. Because she works with waterfowl from many parts of the world, Ms. Kear has come to the conclusion that it is a nutritional problem due to excess feed.

She has found that waterfowl that normally mature in the Arctic environment do not show any angel wing because of their naturally fast growth. It does appear, however, in those species that come from a more temperate environment where they grow slower under natural feeding conditions. But by feeding them unlimited, high protein, high energy feed, they grow unnaturally fast and their wing weight seems to outgrow the strength of the wing to support it, which causes the twisting and resulting angel wing. Further proof of this is from another article that said "If their wings start drooping they are put on a diet of alfalfa pellets (instead of Chick Growena) until the condition clears up."

The only wild waterfowl populations known to be affected are those fed by man. In Sweden, ten different park populations of Canada geese produced angel wing. The following year one flock was not fed any artificial feed and there were no angel wing goslings produced."

From Metzer Farms.

 

[shawluvsbirds]

"Because of the discussions I have heard over the years on the cause of angel wing, I did a search for all research on the subject. The best article was one written by Janet Kear, who is the Senior Scientific Officer of The Wildlife Trust in Great Britain. Some of the researchers feel the condition is genetic, but others have proven it is not. Because she works with waterfowl from many parts of the world, Ms. Kear has come to the conclusion that it is a nutritional problem due to excess feed.

She has found that waterfowl that normally mature in the Arctic environment do not show any angel wing because of their naturally fast growth. It does appear, however, in those species that come from a more temperate environment where they grow slower under natural feeding conditions. But by feeding them unlimited, high protein, high energy feed, they grow unnaturally fast and their wing weight seems to outgrow the strength of the wing to support it, which causes the twisting and resulting angel wing. Further proof of this is from another article that said "If their wings start drooping they are put on a diet of alfalfa pellets (instead of Chick Growena) until the condition clears up."

The only wild waterfowl populations known to be affected are those fed by man. In Sweden, ten different park populations of Canada geese produced angel wing. The following year one flock was not fed any artificial feed and there were no angel wing goslings produced."

From Metzer Farms.

Very very interesting.

 

[duluthralphie]

"Because of the discussions I have heard over the years on the cause of angel wing, I did a search for all research on the subject. The best article was one written by Janet Kear, who is the Senior Scientific Officer of The Wildlife Trust in Great Britain. Some of the researchers feel the condition is genetic, but others have proven it is not. Because she works with waterfowl from many parts of the world, Ms. Kear has come to the conclusion that it is a nutritional problem due to excess feed.

She has found that waterfowl that normally mature in the Arctic environment do not show any angel wing because of their naturally fast growth. It does appear, however, in those species that come from a more temperate environment where they grow slower under natural feeding conditions. But by feeding them unlimited, high protein, high energy feed, they grow unnaturally fast and their wing weight seems to outgrow the strength of the wing to support it, which causes the twisting and resulting angel wing. Further proof of this is from another article that said "If their wings start drooping they are put on a diet of alfalfa pellets (instead of Chick Growena) until the condition clears up."

The only wild waterfowl populations known to be affected are those fed by man. In Sweden, ten different park populations of Canada geese produced angel wing. The following year one flock was not fed any artificial feed and there were no angel wing goslings produced."

From Metzer Farms.

Interesting...Do you think this is the same thing in real fowl?

I have some this year and I thought it was because I was not feeding enough protein......

 

[Ruralhideaway]

My birds were switched to an all flock @ 15 or 16%(have to check bag) at 2 weeks with supplemental soaked grains to further reduce. No symptoms until 5 weeks.

 

[WVduckchick]

"Because of the discussions I have heard over the years on the cause of angel wing, I did a search for all research on the subject. The best article was one written by Janet Kear, who is the Senior Scientific Officer of The Wildlife Trust in Great Britain. Some of the researchers feel the condition is genetic, but others have proven it is not. Because she works with waterfowl from many parts of the world, Ms. Kear has come to the conclusion that it is a nutritional problem due to excess feed.

She has found that waterfowl that normally mature in the Arctic environment do not show any angel wing because of their naturally fast growth. It does appear, however, in those species that come from a more temperate environment where they grow slower under natural feeding conditions. But by feeding them unlimited, high protein, high energy feed, they grow unnaturally fast and their wing weight seems to outgrow the strength of the wing to support it, which causes the twisting and resulting angel wing. Further proof of this is from another article that said "If their wings start drooping they are put on a diet of alfalfa pellets (instead of Chick Growena) until the condition clears up."

The only wild waterfowl populations known to be affected are those fed by man. In Sweden, ten different park populations of Canada geese produced angel wing. The following year one flock was not fed any artificial feed and there were no angel wing goslings produced."

From Metzer Farms.

X2 very interesting!

My birds were switched to an all flock @ 15 or 16%(have to check bag) at 2 weeks with supplemental soaked grains to further reduce. No symptoms until 5 weeks.

Well the wing feathers aren’t growing that much until then, right? Mine didn’t show any signs of it until later too. I’d have to go back thru pics to see when I first noticed it.

 

[WVduckchick]

My babies aren’t looking much like babies anymore. And I’m starting to think I have a lot of boys.

One of 2 silvers

Pastel with the angel wing, probably drake

Pied pastel? Pair of these, at least one female confirmed.

Group shot. Momma Phoebe lower right.

 

[GldnValleyHens]

gorgeous birds @WVduckchick!