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[centrarchid]

The dietary protein levels vary with many things. Highest requirements are by the very young with highest relative growth rates. As they grow the requirement goes down, Exception to this pattern is with hens coming into lay, heavy molt, and injury. Protein too low can cause a range of problems not restricted to reduced growth and egg production. Can also degrade feather formation..


I am a nutritionist by training and profession.

 

[JShubin]

The dietary protein levels vary with many things. Highest requirements are by the very young with highest relative growth rates. As they get better the requirement goes down, Exception to this pattern is with hens coming into lay, heavy molt, and injury. Protein too low can cause a range of problems not restricted to reduced growth and egg production. Can also degrade feather formation..


I am a nutritionist by training and profession.

Thanks,
I kind of meant to ask you, not havoc, even tho I quoted him. No offense to anyone.

But I do know havoc works for a health drink company. So he has some background as well.

I noticed the chicks need a lot of protein. All the feed I buy for chicks is around 15-18%. They love eating feathers too. I am guessing its to fulfil protein requirment

 

[roosterhavoc]

Im coming around (I was anti)...but I realized ultimately they all die. Centra pointed that out a while ago, that there is only handful of end results for gamefowl. Disease, Old age, Predators, Dinner plate, or in a fight. Death from old age would be ideal on my fantasy list, but that never happens.

no foolin? Say it ain't so!

 

[roosterhavoc]

The dietary protein levels vary with many things. Highest requirements are by the very young with highest relative growth rates. As they grow the requirement goes down, Exception to this pattern is with hens coming into lay, heavy molt, and injury. Protein too low can cause a range of problems not restricted to reduced growth and egg production. Can also degrade feather formation..


I am a nutritionist by training and profession.

training means nothing unless you put it to work. Too much protein without enough calcium can cause brittle bones and ruin kidneys. Same as in humans. As I said before I'm talking somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.75 to 2 grams per lb of body weight.

 

[roosterhavoc]

Some birds will still pick feathers no matter what. Sometimes out of boredom from being penned.

 

[roosterhavoc]

Thanks,
I kind of meant to ask you, not havoc, even tho I quoted him.   No offense to anyone.

But I do know havoc works for a health drink company. So he has some background as well.

I noticed the chicks need a lot of protein. All the feed I buy for chicks is around 15-18%. They love eating feathers too. I am guessing its to fulfil protein requirment

If they should have that high a protein when that young it would be in the starter. Most use game bird or at least mix it. I use catfish food@ 40% protein

 

[roosterhavoc]

Not to mention I raise birds solely for feathers. Guess what they're made out of?

 

[sdm111]

Is he daring you to open that door?

Like the spurs on the hen behind him!

yeah he's always ready lol. Most all my hens are spurred. My buttermilk grey brood hen has spurs like a cock, and a couple of the blues have a nub on the left and real spur just on the right. The others all have real spurs to one degree or another

 

[centrarchid]

training means nothing unless you put it to work. Too much protein without enough calcium can cause brittle bones and ruin kidneys. Same as in humans. As I said before I'm talking somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.75 to 2 grams per lb of body weight.

I cut my teeth on gamefowl and was taught by people that had that part down very well. Nutrition was as one of the three legs you stand on in addition to genetics and physical conditioning. I like to describe formulations in terms of profiles rather than absolute amounts or percentages of protein. Your kidney issues mentioned are indicative of profiles being way out of wack. if you do not have a handle on a good formulation, even one developed through voodoo, then use the complete store bought stuff.

Just for giggles, what do you think I mean by nutritionists?

 

[roosterhavoc]

You may claim to have been an expert feeder back when the govmt told everyone eggs are bad for them. That I don't know.
My point was saying too much protein for chicks too young especially penned can cause growth issues.