chances are they are not even the right doms/ im not getting my hopes up at all/ Im on a fact finding mission more then anything right nowI am not certain who you are getting into there. If possible and serious about getting birds, then see and handle first hand. In my life I have acquired games from another not kin only twice. Both times I should have inspected bird in hand first. Still would have kept one but would have been better prepared for what I was getting into. If same guy, I probably got worst of lot because I was after color and not much else. Shame on me.