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[Texicano]

I can show you the birds I bred and the outcome. Yeah though it’s still hearsay. I could be lying or mistaken. That’s for you to decide.

I've seen a couple birds up for auction that were grey/red crosses and the bird looks straight up BBR.

As for my grey radio crosses, all the stags and pullets come out grey 100% so far, doing the same breeding this year so we will see.

 

[Texicano]

I only give chicks vitamins. The birds won’t drink the water with it unless they absolutely have to. I figure they are better off without it since with plain water they’ll drink more. I do put ACV in the water a couple times a week. They love it. Whether it helps anything I have no proof.

Ahh shit that's right, I forgot to pick up some Acv the other day. I've been meaning to try it out.

 

[roosterhavoc]

Depends on the cross. If you use a homozygous grey stag over a black hen, all of the resulting stags will be grey.


STOP my apologies gentleman, it has been a long day. I completely screwed the explanation up. Black stag over grey hen you get all grey stags and no grey pullets. Silver stag, think all white like Flypen's brood fowl over black hen, you get all grey stags and pullets. Here is the kicker. Grey/Reddish stag x black hen, you get half grey, half black/red stags and half grey, half black/red pullets.

The last cross is pretty close to what I did. Came out exactly as you say.

 

[B123]

Again, my apologies gentleman... I hope I did not create confusion. Look at it this way, males are ZZ and females are ZW. If the grey allele is present, it can only be passed on the Z chromosome and will show as it is dominant. So a female is grey or she is NOT grey. A male can be grey/grey like Flypen's really white greys or it can be a grey/red meaning one chromosome has grey and the other say red. These males look grey, but have some red that comes through.

 

[B123]

So back to Havoc's original question. If you use a grey hen, crossed to a hatch, you can get away from the grey coloring pretty quick and still have a 1/4 blood that looks a like like hatch. Clear as MUD?

This is close to what I did this year. I was hoping for a small grey stag to make some blue greys. I found a little grey hen. Using the grey hen, the best I can do the first go round is some blue grey stags, If I am lucky. Now that I throw blue into the mess I only get half the stags coming blue.

 

[roosterhavoc]

Again, my apologies gentleman... I hope I did not create confusion. Look at it this way, males are ZZ and females are ZW. If the grey allele is present, it can only be passed on the Z chromosome and will show as it is dominant. So a female is grey or she is NOT grey. A male can be grey/grey like Flypen's really white greys or it can be a grey/red meaning one chromosome has grey and the other say red. These males look grey, but have some red that comes through.

I have two grey/cross pullets that both look grey but totally different. Different mothers same father.

 

[B123]

I have two grey/cross pullets that both look grey but totally different. Different mothers same father.
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I remember you showing that bottom pic as I really like her! You have the grey alleles that give you the basic grey look, then there are so many modifier alleles that influence the finer details and give you the variation. Color is pretty simple in terms of the the number of genes/alleles that make what you see. Just imagine how complicated it becomes when you talk about behaviors and movements and styles.

 

[Texicano]

I remember you showing that bottom pic as I really like her! You have the grey alleles that give you the basic grey look, then there are so many modifier alleles that influence the finer details and give you the variation. Color is pretty simple in terms of the the number of genes/alleles that make what you see. Just imagine how complicated it becomes when you talk about behaviors and movements and styles.

And that goes back to what Havoc was explaining, about not knowing what blood is exactly in each bird. It would be damn near impossible to corner what behaviours and styles come from what. I guess that's where line breeding comes in handy to make a baseline of the blood and create a consistent profile of your line. I'm sure some of you have. My original radio hens all throw the same consistent characteristics behaviour and style wise, and physically as well f9r the most part, except one that likes to throw spangled stags. Mind you after the first molt, they loose most of their white spots.

 

[centrarchid]

My first broody that is to be allowed to incubate this year. Five more very close behind.

 

[centrarchid]

Medicated starter will not prevent cocci don't believe the hype it won't

It reduces odds disease will hit and slows progression a little. My birds must be off ground for stuff to work and I still must watch very closely for signs.