Jerry: You'll have to keep me posted about your Pear trees you start 'up north'. You know way more about it than I do that's for sure. Have you successfully grafted before? I think I saw it on a gardening tv program once. When I have an empty nest and no kids to chase I forsee myself getting into this. Have you a plan for keeping the bears out of the orchard? Ralphie...love your tag line this morning. Glad to see my name not blaring in it anymore. LOL. I would definitely define Creamettes as Cream Legbars to those with more discriminating term use or those not in the know about the more fun name we've given them. I bet you'll sell them.