The American Cemani Breeders Club...open forum

Discussion in 'General breed discussions & FAQ' started by Steadfast, Mar 13, 2014.

  1. maranfarmer563

    maranfarmer563 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I have an extra cemani cockerel so I thought I'd get some dark Cornish pullets to cross. The hybrid should make nice roasters. Can't wait for spring again.
     
  2. Double Kindness

    Double Kindness Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I'm interested in how that turns out maranfarmer563. And your bcm if their eggs are going to produce nice maroon dark chocolate egg layers.

    I'm adding crested cream legbars and cemanis soon. They will be housed together so their progeny will lay light blue eggs, and have dark meat? That's pretty awesome I think. I want to add bresse at the same time, also to breed for their own meat and cross with cemani and house them all together and totate out my roos.
     
  3. Regin

    Regin Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Since the Cemani lay a light creme egg the progeny of Cemani and Creme Legbars will probably lay a light green egg. Same with Bresse and Creme Legbars.
     
  4. bluenkimchi

    bluenkimchi Chillin' With My Peeps

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    That is what I hope to do in the future
     
  5. DCchicken

    DCchicken Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I was just about to write the same. The Bresse x Cream Legbar croos will result in crested Dominant White birds with some having blue legs and some having white legs. They will lay a blue/green egg. But since some Cream Legbars lay blue and some lay green eggs, it is difficult to predict the shade of greed of the egg. I actually have this cross nearing POL right now.

    The Cream Legbar x Ayam Cemani cross will break the genetics required to get hyper-pigmentation. So you are going to end up with Crested black birds with silver leakage. Depending upon your line, you may also get black sexed links, but only for the first generation. But don't expect black skin. Most likely you will get very few with the hyper-pigmentation. Some will be gypsy faced. But most will have pink patches that will most likely spread and the skin will turn to clear as the bird matures. You would need to breed it back to pure Ayam Cemani for several generations to get even a possibility of all black. And then you would need to deal with the silver leackage which is also going to be difficult to breed out. Once you cross a Cemani, it is very, very difficult to breed it out without hatching generations of birds for each feature you are trying to correct.

    If you just want black pigmentation and blue eggs, cross you Cemani with a blue egg phoenix or Sumatra. At least then you could cross back without all the other genetic issues of composite breeds like Cream Legbars. There is someone in San Diego working on a similar project called the Empress Hen Project.
     
  6. Double Kindness

    Double Kindness Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Hmm, well I am new at all this. The new coop with have separation pens for my roos to rotate out. keep the bresse roo, the cemanis i'm getting come from 2 different blood lines, I believe I posted their picts already of the breeding stock mine are coming from on byc.

    the ccl, cemani and bresse will be housed together, I'm adding bcm and possibly silkies, depending on how everything goes. The bmc and some ccl will get moved to my layer flock that's covered by my salmon favorelle x wellsummer x light brahama roo and is made of ee's, ameracuna, rose comb leghorn and splash polish.

    I'm only going to hatch out the leghorn and polish and my buff laced ee covered by this roo out of my current flock. Cull the males. I will only cross my buff laced ee with this roo if she lays blue eggs though to get olive eggers.. that are bearded and tufted with a recessive feathered feet. I'm trying to get only pullets of the ccl and bcm, and keep a roo of the cemani and of the svart honas I hope to add and maybe rotate them out to svart hona cemani etc?
     
  7. Chickengirl1304

    Chickengirl1304 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    How does the blackness of the svart hona compare to the cemani? Anyone have Honas with black tongues? Or grey?
     
  8. boykin2010

    boykin2010 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I have lots with gray tongues and partially black mouths. But none have solid black tongues
     
  9. maranfarmer563

    maranfarmer563 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    You know what,I've raised chickens almost 50 years and never looked in a chickens mouth til these cemani came around
     
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  10. DCchicken

    DCchicken Chillin' With My Peeps

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    One roo reminded today that looking into a chicken's mouth is rude. I think that bite is going to leave a scar.
     

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