The bullying has to stop...children are dying

[rancher hicks]

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I will address you first. If the meds your taking and the counselor is not helping you need to make a change. One thing this young man said is true. It does get better, just hang on til it does. Ok?


Now for those who have OP's like we all do.

Being gay is not something all gay people can hide. It becomes obvious for some very early on. It's sad but true. If there is a cure it won't be found in bullying a person until they kill themselves.

Now for those who are or claim to be Christians. I have been saved , born again since I was 24 and I'm an old man now. Preaching and screaming and shouting at people is NOT scriptural. If you are doing it to someone who isn't or won't listen. It's wrong and if you don't think so you need to read your bible. Jesus "taught" the people who wanted to learn. He didn't go chasing after those who "turned back from following". He didn't go screaming in their faces they were going to hell. Please just be quite you do more harm than good.

Finally it is a sad time for our youth. They are trying to maintain internet relationships to fulfill the need humans have for acceptance and friendships. The internet is a poor substitute for this. It might help if parents were more involved in their children's social structure and helped their children join clubs or sports or scouts or some organization where they will find like minded people and receive peer acceptance.

I belong to a large church and have met many people and one thing I have learned. WE ALL have issues in one form or another. No one has the answers to every problem not even the pastors in the pulpit.

That said, we all will experience "peer" pressure at any age. It never ends, but we can learn how to deal with it. For me , I stay away from mean people, whether family (parent, sibling) or co worker or fellow church member. There is nothing written that says a person has to accept everyone no matter what they are like. If someone is causing you mental pain then get away from them. You DO NOT have to "put up" with them.

For those who may consider taking their own life, please don't. Your best life can be ahead of you. New friends and places and accomplishments. Young people in school, Please you have no idea the adventures that lie ahead, gay or straight. You wouldn't let some one rob your house, don't let them steal your future.

Our paths may cross some day and I NEED you to be there, Lord knows I can use all the friends I can get.

Rancher

 

[Glenmar]

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I will address you first. If the meds your taking and the counselor is not helping you need to make a change. One thing this young man said is true. It does get better, just hang on til it does. Ok?


Now for those who have OP's like we all do.

Being gay is not something all gay people can hide. It becomes obvious for some very early on. It's sad but true. If there is a cure it won't be found in bullying a person until they kill themselves.

Now for those who are or claim to be Christians. I have been saved , born again since I was 24 and I'm an old man now. Preaching and screaming and shouting at people is NOT scriptural. If you are doing it to someone who isn't or won't listen. It's wrong and if you don't think so you need to read your bible. Jesus "taught" the people who wanted to learn. He didn't go chasing after those who "turned back from following". He didn't go screaming in their faces they were going to hell. Please just be quite you do more harm than good.

Finally it is a sad time for our youth. They are trying to maintain internet relationships to fulfill the need humans have for acceptance and friendships. The internet is a poor substitute for this. It might help if parents were more involved in their children's social structure and helped their children join clubs or sports or scouts or some organization where they will find like minded people and receive peer acceptance.

I belong to a large church and have met many people and one thing I have learned. WE ALL have issues in one form or another. No one has the answers to every problem not even the pastors in the pulpit.

That said, we all will experience "peer" pressure at any age. It never ends, but we can learn how to deal with it. For me , I stay away from mean people, whether family (parent, sibling) or co worker or fellow church member. There is nothing written that says a person has to accept everyone no matter what they are like. If someone is causing you mental pain then get away from them. You DO NOT have to "put up" with them.

For those who may consider taking their own life, please don't. Your best life can be ahead of you. New friends and places and accomplishments. Young people in school, Please you have no idea the adventures that lie ahead, gay or straight. You wouldn't let some one rob your house, don't let them steal your future.

Our paths may cross some day and I NEED you to be there, Lord knows I can use all the friends I can get.

Rancher

Beautiful. Thanks

 

[AquaEyes]

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I will address you first. If the meds your taking and the counselor is not helping you need to make a change. One thing this young man said is true. It does get better, just hang on til it does. Ok?


Now for those who have OP's like we all do.

Being gay is not something all gay people can hide. It becomes obvious for some very early on. It's sad but true. If there is a cure it won't be found in bullying a person until they kill themselves.

Now for those who are or claim to be Christians. I have been saved , born again since I was 24 and I'm an old man now. Preaching and screaming and shouting at people is NOT scriptural. If you are doing it to someone who isn't or won't listen. It's wrong and if you don't think so you need to read your bible. Jesus "taught" the people who wanted to learn. He didn't go chasing after those who "turned back from following". He didn't go screaming in their faces they were going to hell. Please just be quite you do more harm than good.

Finally it is a sad time for our youth. They are trying to maintain internet relationships to fulfill the need humans have for acceptance and friendships. The internet is a poor substitute for this. It might help if parents were more involved in their children's social structure and helped their children join clubs or sports or scouts or some organization where they will find like minded people and receive peer acceptance.

I belong to a large church and have met many people and one thing I have learned. WE ALL have issues in one form or another. No one has the answers to every problem not even the pastors in the pulpit.

That said, we all will experience "peer" pressure at any age. It never ends, but we can learn how to deal with it. For me , I stay away from mean people, whether family (parent, sibling) or co worker or fellow church member. There is nothing written that says a person has to accept everyone no matter what they are like. If someone is causing you mental pain then get away from them. You DO NOT have to "put up" with them.

For those who may consider taking their own life, please don't. Your best life can be ahead of you. New friends and places and accomplishments. Young people in school, Please you have no idea the adventures that lie ahead, gay or straight. You wouldn't let some one rob your house, don't let them steal your future.

Our paths may cross some day and I NEED you to be there, Lord knows I can use all the friends I can get.

Rancher

Thank you.

 

[SarahBeth9394]

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The sad part is that he was being treated. He was seeing a counselor regularly.

This tells me that the problem was much more than just the bullying. Yes the bullying is wrong, it worsened the situation and people can be brutal with their words but there was more going on with this boy than bullying for him to kill himself.

And without quoting the post I agree with rancher hicks regarding Christianity and what Jesus taught.

 

[turney31]

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Sorry but your kidding right. The VICTIM is punished by not enjoying the internet????

If you know the neighbors dog bites you stay away from it. You know the stove top is hot so you don't touch it. You know that knives cut so you don't play with them. So yes if there's a place on the internet where you're being bullied then don't go there and give them the chance to bully you.

This response is absolutely silly, there is no comparing those issues. It still remains punish the victim. I feel sorry for any children you may have. Punish the victim..........

 

[SarahBeth9394]

If my kids were getting cyber-bullied (which is what that particular post was addressing) they would not have internet access if they could not refrain from going to sites where they got hurt. It's that simple.

 

[chickened]

Wow this thing has grown. If I did not know better I would almost be convinced that only weak, crippled gay teens commit suicide by what I have read.

One overlooked problem here I think is the child most likely was never taught to adequately deal with thier feelings and how to cope with peer pressure. I was taught by my parents, peers and classmates. The only person that mixed up any kids in my school were the ones that went and seen the counselor and in my school it was because she gave us cigarettes amongst her bad advice.

Nobody can really say what was going through that kids mind it is all speculation especially in the cases of the successful attempts.

Where were the parents, the friends, the counselors and the professionals? all that has been said here is somewhat helpful but useless if nobody cared enough to recognize the warning signs especially a trained person, makes me wonder about thier abilities.

As far as the religous aspect here... it would not have hurt at the least the boy may still of been alive no one really knows that.

My 15 year old son is buddies with 2 boys that have to male parents and I assure you they get teased at school I have seen it and my son sticks up for them as any buddy would do. These boys are good boys and the teasing is not thier fault, nor is thier choice of parents.

 

[mom'sfolly]

The thing is that kids shouldn't get teased at school for who their parents are, what church they go to, how they dress, social status, what color skin they have, what size they are, or anything else for that matter. What one person sees a teasing, the person being teased may see it in an entirely different way.

The bullies don't come up with the attitudes they express by living in a vacuum. They learn, at home, at church, through peers and in other ways that it is okay to denigrate someone you don't approve of. Until society says it is unacceptable to target someone for their differences, bullying will continue.

Schools try to stop this with zero tolerance programs, bullying awareness (usually at grade school level), and mentoring programs. Teachers can't be everywhere at all times, and parents can't be everywhere at all times. Most bullying, especially during high school and middle school ages, happens in the between times. Kids aren't stupid, and even very aware parents don't know everything their child does or does not do. Parents role is to teach values, including those of tolerance and civility, and hope their kids take those values out into the world.

Kids internalize the things they see their parents saying and doing. Are you as polite to the woman with the headscarf at the Walgreens as you are to the other staff, are you moderate in you language when talk about minorities, are you welcoming of the diversity in your kid's school, do you invite your gay friends to dinner with their spouse, do you keep polite about someone else's religion? Or do you use words like fag, towel-head, Nazi, and reserve you manners for people you know and like?

 

[urban escapee]

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They should have been charged with assault and injury to a child...when my son was about 8 some high school boys drove by and threw an egg at him. My husband chased them down while I called the cops. They were arrested and their mothers car was impounded. They were charged with felony injury to a child. The mom brought the boy by to apologize and wanted me to drop the charges. Told her I couldnt since I wasnt pressing them, she needed to take it up with the DA. I didnt follow it after that. But I think they got the message.

No kid should have to put up with bullying.

 

[AquaEyes]

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They should have been charged with assault and injury to a child...when my son was about 8 some high school boys drove by and threw an egg at him. My husband chased them down while I called the cops. They were arrested and their mothers car was impounded. They were charged with felony injury to a child. The mom brought the boy by to apologize and wanted me to drop the charges. Told her I couldnt since I wasnt pressing them, she needed to take it up with the DA. I didnt follow it after that. But I think they got the message.

No kid should have to put up with bullying.

My kind of mama!