the cream gene

[nicalandia]

Would be better to put a Mille Fleur d'Uccle rooster over Dutch Bantams or the other way around?

it works both ways, as the cream gene is autosomal not sex linked, remember it has to be cream light brown dutch

 

[mstricer]

Yes that is what meant. I hope I can find some.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

thats not correct..

buff carry Dilute, which is a dominant gene, Cream is recessive, if anybody is wanting to introduce the cream color(or a lemon color) to any breed they would be better off staying Clear of the self buff birds, they carry so many unwanted genes, dominant and recessive it will set you back years of breeding... I myself am isolating the Dilute gene, I am at my 3 generation and I have yet to isolate it, I´ll need another 3 more generations to do it...

in short, use Cream dutch bantam, stay away from self buff

went back and reread how I typed it. yes I miss typed a little what I was trying to say. The buff has dilute, not cream, those are two different genes. Eidted the post to show what I meant to write.

BUT with the dilute gene you can make a gold bird cream looking. wont be the same genotype but the phenotype looks the same.
In some cases where a true cream based bird cant be found you can in fact get the same look by this route. It does take a lot of breeding though to get threw all the different possible versions. But it is possible

I fully agree it can be a pain in the rear though due to all the unknowns hidden in the self buff color.
personally , I'm doing it myself right now too. Still havent got there, should be in 2 more breedings though with what I have going, hope so at least.

 

[draye]

Okay genetic whizes..........................

If I were to try to create a large fowl Creme colored chicken:
If I started with a Creme Light Brown Dutch what breed of large fowl would I need to breed to?

I don't think a Jersey Giant would work to well with a bntam.
Leghorns might work but which color?


Just curious..........
Thanks.

 

[Henk69]

Can you get hold of golden lakenvelders? They look like they have a gold diluter too.

 

[draye]

Can you get hold of golden lakenvelders? They look like they have a gold diluter too.

I can.
I actually used to have some Golden LAkenvelders. They were just too wild. Sold 'em.

 

[nicalandia]

I fully agree it can be a pain in the rear though due to all the unknowns hidden in the self buff color.
personally , I'm doing it myself right now too. Still havent got there, should be in 2 more breedings though with what I have going, hope so at least.

hey thats so cool, I´m doing the same, so we can exchange info between us, my buff hen is segregating Blue and a gene that acts like Charcoal(recessive melanizer) aside from the usual Db, Mh, Di

 

[nicalandia]

Okay genetic whizes..........................

If I were to try to create a large fowl Creme colored chicken:
If I started with a Creme Light Brown Dutch what breed of large fowl would I need to breed to?

I don't think a Jersey Giant would work to well with a bntam.
Leghorns might work but which color?


Just curious..........
Thanks.

do you have access to Cream Light brown Leghorns? if yes, there you go, you have a medium sized cream bird

 

[draye]

do you have access to Cream Light brown Leghorns? if yes, there you go, you have a medium sized cream bird

No Cream Light Brown LEghorns that I'm aware of.
We have Light Brown Leghorns.

 

[cluckadoddledoo]

Hello everyone, very interested in this thread as we were sold a trio that were said to be "cream" Hamburgs. After looking at lots of Dutch websites it seems that these are known as Citron, so are you folks saying cream and citron are one and the same?

Found some great Dutch links showing diffiernt breeds in "citron" similar in type with the main difference between the Groninger and the Hamburg being the shape of their comb "I think"

http://www.kippenencyclopedie.nl/php/index.php?title=Hollandshoen


http://www.groningermeeuwenclub.nl/kleurslagen.htm

A few pics.





She doesn't look like this normally she is just all puffed up with the cold....









This one's plummage isn't right for a pullet so more than likely an experiment...