the cream gene

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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WOULD LOVE TO TRY ONE WHEN YOU GET SOME FREED UP!

 

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

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Spangled as in the Russian (Russian Orloff) or game breeds shouldn't be any thing like a Mille Fleur.


Chris

I believe it's a mahogany/red based tri-color pattern instead of the tan (Buff? Dun?) foundation on the Mille Fleur. Many of the Orloffs I've seen also seem to have some mottling genes in them, or something else that extends the white beyond where it should lie in an ideal tri-color pattern, but it SHOULD be a mille pattern with the red foundation, I believe.

Or, do you mean there is something else to distinguish them, aside from the base color and the fact that the pattern is very sloppy and not as fine tuned as in breeds like the d'uccles?

 

[()relics]

I have bclb and clb dutch bantams...Blue Cream Light Brown amd Cream Light Brown. Not sure if the conformation of a dutch bantam would help you towards your goal. As the cream really just shows in the "fringes" of the hackles and saddle feathers..

picture of a cockerel, with a pullet behind

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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yep, lemon blue isnt the same thing, trick in the name, that's just a brown red bird that has the blue gene added , so they wouldnt work

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

()relics :

I have bclb and clb dutch bantams...Blue Cream Light Brown amd Cream Light Brown. Not sure if the conformation of a dutch bantam would help you towards your goal. As the cream really just shows in the "fringes" of the hackles and saddle feathers..
https://www.backyardchickens.com/forum/uploads/20580_031.jpg
picture of a cockerel, with a pullet behind

not 100% sure, would think the gene would still transfer? Correcting type would be no problem...Would preferr non blues so I dont have that gene to deal with in the project. Got any of the cream light browns you want to move?​

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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finally got a chance to sit down and run that threw the calculator, yes it does seem to work with both millies and porcelains, may have to try that too next spring with my buff roos

 

[()relics]

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not 100% sure, would think the gene would still transfer? Correcting type would be no problem...Would preferr non blues so I dont have that gene to deal with in the project. Got any of the cream light browns you want to move?

....springtime and they would bclb over clb...half should show blue the other just cream, as I only use a blue rooster as a breeder...but the blue may be hidden and reappear down the line...again may take you the wrong way down the road but I like the dutch cream...

 

[Chris09]

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Spangled as in the Russian (Russian Orloff) or game breeds shouldn't be any thing like a Mille Fleur.


Chris

I believe it's a mahogany/red based tri-color pattern instead of the tan (Buff? Dun?) foundation on the Mille Fleur. Many of the Orloffs I've seen also seem to have some mottling genes in them, or something else that extends the white beyond where it should lie in an ideal tri-color pattern, but it SHOULD be a mille pattern with the red foundation, I believe.

Or, do you mean there is something else to distinguish them, aside from the base color and the fact that the pattern is very sloppy and not as fine tuned as in breeds like the d'uccles?

Mottled Buff Columbian - ( As in the Mille Fleur and Speckled Sussex)
e wh -- wheaten down color.
s -- sex link gold
Co -- columbian
mo -- mottling

Black patterned Red Spangled - ( As in the Orloff and some Game Fowl)
ER/ER -- Birchen based
Pg/Pg -- Pattern Gene
Db/Db -- Dark Brown
Ml/Ml -- Melanotic
Mh/Mh -- Mahogany
Mo+/Mo+ -- Mottling

Chris

Chris

 

[HaikuHeritageFarm]

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I believe it's a mahogany/red based tri-color pattern instead of the tan (Buff? Dun?) foundation on the Mille Fleur. Many of the Orloffs I've seen also seem to have some mottling genes in them, or something else that extends the white beyond where it should lie in an ideal tri-color pattern, but it SHOULD be a mille pattern with the red foundation, I believe.

Or, do you mean there is something else to distinguish them, aside from the base color and the fact that the pattern is very sloppy and not as fine tuned as in breeds like the d'uccles?

Mottled Buff Columbian - ( As in the Mille Fleur and Speckled Sussex)
e wh -- wheaten down color.
s -- sex link gold
Co -- columbian
mo -- mottling

Black patterned Red Spangled - ( As in the Orloff and some Game Fowl)
ER/ER -- Birchen based
Pg/Pg -- Pattern Gene
Db/Db -- Dark Brown
Ml/Ml -- Melanotic
Mh/Mh -- Mahogany
Mo+/Mo+ -- Mottling

Chris

Chris

Interesting. Thank you for that. I had been told something completely different.

So, in other words, no amount of monkeying around with this buff roo and the Orloffs would ever get me a cream bird, eh?

 

[Chris09]

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By chance was you told that the R-Orloff was E^b or E^Wh - Co/Co - Mh/Mh - Mo/Mo ?


Chris