The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

[Kiniska]

They are so cute. Hoping around like pop corn. I loves them! Thank you Renie!

 

[thedragonlady]

I don't agree that whether or not you have shown your birds, or if your birds adhere to the US Standard of Perfection should dictate the prices you set for your birds. Why does that matter at all? What does a blue ribbon prove, that one person (a biased judge) deems your birds "worthy".

I've never shown a day in my life and I honestly have no intentions to. I don't need acknowledgement from someone else that I know what I'm doing with my flock when I separate them into breeding pens.

I don't think my birds conform to the US SOP at all but that doesn't mean that I'm going to sell them for $5 a chick.




I feel you have to set a price that you think is a fair representation of how much care, effort, knowledge and selectivity goes into your breeding practices. It's very easy to import beautiful Orpingtons from the UK (relatively speaking) and it's even easier to wash the whole flock down the drain due to irresponsible breeding.

It saddens me to see how low imported BBS Orpingtons are selling for nowadays, I feel that all that allows for is people to get there hands on something special and then ruin it. The auctions where people are pandering sub par birds as "100% English" because they came from this or that imported line disgusts me. The same thing will happen eventually with all of the other colors. I know there are people who are already marketing Jubilee X Speckled Sussex birds as well as folks who are calling anything outcrossed to a Black a "split" in order to try and make money off of the genetics a bird is carrying. But if you don't know how to properly breed then all you're doing is creating a big genetic mess. It makes me not want to put any of my birds on the market simply so that they won't be exploited by reckless propagators.




Anyways... my two cents.

Jeremy,

You have gorgeous birds. I must agree with you about the people who are getting cheap eggs from English stock, and breeding them to heaven knows what sort of hatchery birds. We have had a rash of so-called English birds falsely advertised on this site, and others.We US breeders are missing the first opportunity in 50+ years to bring in new blood that is not an outcross to another breed. What a shame ! Hats off to the people who have had the wisdom, and the experience, to use this opportunity wisely to improve Orps in the US.

 

[Kiniska]

Fluffy buts!

 

[JHorn91180]

I hate to be argumentative, but have you really read the English Standar?. It calls for a "Small " head. As long as you are upfront about breeding to your own standard and tastes, charge whatever the market will bear.

Hmm u r right and I typed large instead of small but personally I like the look to the face that makes them appear old.


This is my goal and to me this bird is perfect.

 

[rockinpaints]

Yes Nellie. Now everyone knows.

He traveled over the big pond in a cozy little egg shell.

Just wondering, being bred to a black how will you know which are splits and which are true black

. Just food for thought early on. There is no way to tell unless you trial breed each black cockerel produced to see if he is black or actually split. (the results of a black split to chocolate getting into a blue breeding pen is not good

)
I know,I have said it a million times, good record keeping is a must

.

Split Black cockerel (carrying Chocolate gene) x Black hen = Gives 25% Pure black cockerels, 25%
Black split males (unable to tell which males have the gene), 25% Pure black females, 25% Pure Chocolate females.

(I am sure you knew all that already

)

 

[jeremy]

I know,I have said it a million times, good record keeping is a must

.

X1,000,000!

 

[Phantom_Rooster]

Just wondering, being bred to a black how will you know which are splits and which are true black

. Just food for thought early on. There is no way to tell unless you trial breed each black cockerel produced to see if he is black or actually split. (the results of a black split to chocolate getting into a blue breeding pen is not good

)
I know,I have said it a million times, good record keeping is a must

.

Split Black cockerel (carrying Chocolate gene) x Black hen = Gives 25% Pure black cockerels, 25%
Black split males (unable to tell which males have the gene), 25% Pure black females, 25% Pure Chocolate females.

(I am sure you knew all that already

)

Yes, I knew this. I do keep records of all my birds. I'll just have to wait until the males mate to know which are splits. That is, unless you know where I can get some LF Chocolate laying hens for him.

 

[rockinpaints]

Yes, I knew this. I do keep records of all my birds. I'll just have to wait until the males mate to know which are splits. That is, unless you know where I can get some LF Chocolate laying hens for him.

You know I would share if I had a surplus of hens

. By the time I have an extra hen you'll have your own .......

Good luck Alton!! Keep us posted.
(One plus is that you will know every chocolate is a pullet........)

 

[Phantom_Rooster]

You know I would share if I had a surplus of hens

. By the time I have an extra hen you'll have your own .......

Good luck Alton!! Keep us posted.
(One plus is that you will know every chocolate is a pullet........)

That is the big plus. I have 6 LF chocolate chicks growing out. You know I'm hoping for mostly roos in this group. But, I must say that I am very fond of the black color also. I am really pleased with the size and English type of these birds. I need to take more pics.

 

[Renie'sPeeps]

AWW there's babies in the house.. lol Glad to see they made it safely.