The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

[Kiniska]

My chickies are here from Renie! Will post some pictures tonight. SOOOOOOO happy!

 

[deek]

Can't wait to see their pictures.

 

[Elliemae 77]

WooHoo! Can't wait to see pictures!!

 

[Phantom_Rooster]

Hi Alton, is the roo the LF chocolate split ?

Yes Nellie. Now everyone knows.

He traveled over the big pond in a cozy little egg shell.

 

[thedragonlady]

Hi I need everyone's opinion please as this will be my first year selling chicks from these. What would be a fair price for a started pair of BBS English Orps around 8 to 12 weeks of age? These r not culls altho I do have a couple that r blue and very typey but lacing is not really good but those will be sold with a black of the opposite sex. I am only keeping back some really dark laced blue pullets, most the black pullets and a handful of black cockerals to grow out.

I plan to sell these locally and not fool with shipping this early in the season so don't be afraid to post different amounts then others cause market varies by location. I would really appreciate everyone's opinion please and thank u in advance.

BTW forgot to include b4 people ask these r pure English from imported lines. Again any help would b greatly appreciated.

The pricing of birds is dependent on a few things. How much you know. Have you shown, and bred enough birds to be able to effectively judge the quality of the birds you are selling? Has this line produced winners? Are the youngsters free from defects that would be a detriment in the breeding pen, or the US show ring? We are currently seeing people who have NEVER shown, asking huge prices for experimental birds resulting from English breedings, lovely , but those birds do not fit the US Standards. Better safe than sorry, if you are just getting started. The ultimate satisfaction is a satisfied customer, whose birds produce well in the next generation, and whose offspring show well.

 

[Crystalwhite]

Hello check out my english cuckoo orpington rooster.http://www.rarebreedauctions.com/au...sh-cuckoo-orpington-rooster&auction_id=112020

 

[jeremy]

The pricing of birds is dependent on a few things. How much you know. Have you shown, and bred enough birds to be able to effectively judge the quality of the birds you are selling? Has this line produced winners? Are the youngsters free from defects that would be a detriment in the breeding pen, or the US show ring? We are currently seeing people who have NEVER shown, asking huge prices for experimental birds resulting from English breedings, lovely , but those birds do not fit the US Standards. Better safe than sorry, if you are just getting started. The ultimate satisfaction is a satisfied customer, whose birds produce well in the next generation, and whose offspring show well.

I don't agree that whether or not you have shown your birds, or if your birds adhere to the US Standard of Perfection should dictate the prices you set for your birds. Why does that matter at all? What does a blue ribbon prove, that one person (a biased judge) deems your birds "worthy".

I've never shown a day in my life and I honestly have no intentions to. I don't need acknowledgement from someone else that I know what I'm doing with my flock when I separate them into breeding pens.

I don't think my birds conform to the US SOP at all but that doesn't mean that I'm going to sell them for $5 a chick.




I feel you have to set a price that you think is a fair representation of how much care, effort, knowledge and selectivity goes into your breeding practices. It's very easy to import beautiful Orpingtons from the UK (relatively speaking) and it's even easier to wash the whole flock down the drain due to irresponsible breeding.

It saddens me to see how low imported BBS Orpingtons are selling for nowadays, I feel that all that allows for is people to get there hands on something special and then ruin it. The auctions where people are pandering sub par birds as "100% English" because they came from this or that imported line disgusts me. The same thing will happen eventually with all of the other colors. I know there are people who are already marketing Jubilee X Speckled Sussex birds as well as folks who are calling anything outcrossed to a Black a "split" in order to try and make money off of the genetics a bird is carrying. But if you don't know how to properly breed then all you're doing is creating a big genetic mess. It makes me not want to put any of my birds on the market simply so that they won't be exploited by reckless propagators.




Anyways... my two cents.

 

[JHorn91180]

The pricing of birds is dependent on a few things. How much you know. Have you shown, and bred enough birds to be able to effectively judge the quality of the birds you are selling? Has this line produced winners? Are the youngsters free from defects that would be a detriment in the breeding pen, or the US show ring? We are currently seeing people who have NEVER shown, asking huge prices for experimental birds resulting from English breedings, lovely , but those birds do not fit the US Standards. Better safe than sorry, if you are just getting started. The ultimate satisfaction is a satisfied customer, whose birds produce well in the next generation, and whose offspring show well.

No I do not show nor do I plan too. I will be breeding for exaggerated orp features like huge skirts, big heads, small combs and weight ect and breeding to the UK standard. Im just not that serious and don't wanna get caught up in the show drama. Its just a hobby to me and I want it to stay fun and enjoy my birds. I will breed for what I like and will post pics of my own birds and let them speak for themselves when I sell chicks or eggs. Im not in it for money nor do I need ribbons or awards to be happy with my birds. I pay for their feed and maintenance and rain snow or shine Im the one that cares for them daily so I will be breeding for what I like and think is pretty. I will not be listing these started pairs as show birds nor am I expecting a show price. The parents were just from eggs I purchased that were a mix of Julie and Joys birds. I kept back the ones with the most type and sold or gave away the others. These started pairs r way to young to know exactly how they will turn out. Even if the parents had won many shows I would never sell birds at this age as show quality anyways as that would be unethical. Im just looking for a round about price for decent BBS English Orp started pairs to sell them locally. I have shown many different breeds years ago and did well but never Orps. I don't like the risk involved with bringing birds back from a show or the people that get angry and say their birds were better when u do win and they don't.

 

[thedragonlady]

No I do not show nor do I plan too. I will be breeding for exaggerated orp features like huge skirts, big heads, small combs and weight ect and breeding to the UK standard. Im just not that serious and don't wanna get caught up in the show drama. Its just a hobby to me and I want it to stay fun and enjoy my birds. I will breed for what I like and will post pics of my own birds and let them speak for themselves when I sell chicks or eggs. Im not in it for money nor do I need ribbons or awards to be happy with my birds. I pay for their feed and maintenance and rain snow or shine Im the one that cares for them daily so I will be breeding for what I like and think is pretty. I will not be listing these started pairs as show birds nor am I expecting a show price. The parents were just from eggs I purchased that were a mix of Julie and Joys birds. I kept back the ones with the most type and sold or gave away the others. These started pairs r way to young to know exactly how they will turn out. Even if the parents had won many shows I would never sell birds at this age as show quality anyways as that would be unethical. Im just looking for a round about price for decent BBS English Orp started pairs to sell them locally. I have shown many different breeds years ago and did well but never Orps. I don't like the risk involved with bringing birds back from a show or the people that get angry and say their birds were better when u do win and they don't.

I hate to be argumentative, but have you really read the English Standar?. It calls for a "Small " head. As long as you are upfront about breeding to your own standard and tastes, charge whatever the market will bear.

 

[jeremy]

I hate to be argumentative, but have you really read the English Standar?. It calls for a "Small " head. As long as you are upfront about breeding to your own standard and tastes, charge whatever the market will bear.

You forgot neat.