The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

[rodriguezpoultry]

Interesting reading today! I could have sworn someone was also bashed for their own breeding of randomly colored birds once before. I don't quite recall who that was at the moment?

Just call the birds what they are Vivi, they are crosses. Anaisha, while pretty, they are crosses and should not be misreprsented as a pure breed. Alot of times these do better in the summers of TX but it's possible someone would be misled by the label of "Orpington" that is being applied to a bird that only slightly resembles an Orpington.

 

[Renie'sPeeps]

Interesting reading today! I could have sworn someone was also bashed for their own breeding of randomly colored birds once before. I don't quite recall who that was at the moment?

Just call the birds what they are Vivi, they are crosses. Anaisha, while pretty, they are crosses and should not be misreprsented as a pure breed. Alot of times these do better in the summers of TX but it's possible someone would be misled by the label of "Orpington" that is being applied to a bird that only slightly resembles an Orpington.

Calling them Sunsets for now would be a very nice name.. I guess one would have to research to make sure that it isn't already being used though.

 

[fowlman01]

Interesting reading today! I could have sworn someone was also bashed for their own breeding of randomly colored birds once before. I don't quite recall who that was at the moment?

Just call the birds what they are Vivi, they are crosses. Anaisha, while pretty, they are crosses and should not be misreprsented as a pure breed. Alot of times these do better in the summers of TX but it's possible someone would be misled by the label of "Orpington" that is being applied to a bird that only slightly resembles an Orpington.

I agree....just call them hybrids or any other name, but don't call them Orps as it is misleading. If folks have an organized breeding program with a goal that is one thing, but naming colors that pop out of random breeding's is another thing.....it is usually used to sell whatever pops out at their farm. I would love to sell the culls I produce, but I care about the breeds I raise and know that culls end up back in the breed. I have seen it bring down other breeds.

If a person is calling themselves a "breeder" they have some responsibilities to their customers......or at least that is how I think. 99% of the "breeders" here online are really not breeders, but are propagators and it is real easy to make chicks....just put a male and female chicken together......that's all it takes. Then if it looks different assign it a name that sounds cool and sell the heck out of your mistakes.....it's just business.

My only objection is the calling of these experiments Orps....I could care less what people do with their chickens. Does the Orp Club promote these random crosses now?

Walt

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

Calling them Sunsets for now would be a very nice name.. I guess one would have to research to make sure that it isn't already being used though.

The problem being that calling them "Sunsets" still misleads those that have not done their research that they now have a "rare" breed. Such as that person selling "Royal Langshans" which are no more than cross of a poor quality Langshan with a Production Red. It's not just to protect buyers, who should be doing research into anything they plan to invest in, it's a slap in the face to anyone that raises these birds for more than monetary gain. Unless there is a specific goal in place to produce these birds explicitly for a written standard, they should not be associated with Orpingtons until breeding true to Orpington type and a color that breeds consistently.

Am I against color projects? No. But I am against breeding birds together and calling them a specific breed. As said before, it's how the Marans were torn apart before they had a chance. Why? So many different projects, with no real goal in mind except for dark colored eggs and being the "new thing." Half of those "projects" look nothing near what a Marans should look like. I would hate to see the same happen to such a devoutly followed breed such as the Orpington all because of someone mislabeling a crossed bird, even if they meant no harm.

 

[thedragonlady]

I agree....just call them hybrids or any other name, but don't call them Orps as it is misleading. If folks have an organized breeding program with a goal that is one thing, but naming colors that pop out of random breeding's is another thing.....it is usually used to sell whatever pops out at their farm. I would love to sell the culls I produce, but I care about the breeds I raise and know that culls end up back in the breed. I have seen it bring down other breeds.

If a person is calling themselves a "breeder" they have some responsibilities to their customers......or at least that is how I think. 99% of the "breeders" here online are really not breeders, but are propagators and it is real easy to make chicks....just put a male and female chicken together......that's all it takes. Then if it looks different assign it a name that sounds cool and sell the heck out of your mistakes.....it's just business.

My only objection is the calling of these experiments Orps....I could care less what people do with their chickens. Does the Orp Club promote these random crosses now?

Walt

I think maybe not everyone knows just who Fowlman01 is. This gentleman is head of the APA Standards Committee , on the ABA Judges Licenses Committee, and has been an APA-ABA judge for many years. Walt is also a Master Breeder-Exhibitor in many breeds. Not much point in arguing with Walt !

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

Sure...like that's the ONLY reason to not argue with Walt?!

It wouldn't be his hard-headedness...LOL

 

[thedragonlady]

Sure...like that's the ONLY reason to not argue with Walt?!

It wouldn't be his hard-headedness...LOL

We love him for that too!

 

[Renie'sPeeps]

The problem being that calling them "Sunsets" still misleads those that have not done their research that they now have a "rare" breed. Such as that person selling "Royal Langshans" which are no more than cross of a poor quality Langshan with a Production Red. It's not just to protect buyers, who should be doing research into anything they plan to invest in, it's a slap in the face to anyone that raises these birds for more than monetary gain. Unless there is a specific goal in place to produce these birds explicitly for a written standard, they should not be associated with Orpingtons until breeding true to Orpington type and a color that breeds consistently.

Am I against color projects? No. But I am against breeding birds together and calling them a specific breed. As said before, it's how the Marans were torn apart before they had a chance. Why? So many different projects, with no real goal in mind except for dark colored eggs and being the "new thing." Half of those "projects" look nothing near what a Marans should look like. I would hate to see the same happen to such a devoutly followed breed such as the Orpington all because of someone mislabeling a crossed bird, even if they meant no harm.

Then maybe you can answer this for me please.....I have never purchased or owned a sex link but to my little knowledge of them.. aren't they made up of different varieties of chickens but yet all called sex link???

 

[rodriguezpoultry]

And they are all sex-links. Sex-link only refers to the trait of sex-linked colors which allows the sexer to tell males from females. Since a "sex-link" is not a breed and all of them match the sex-linked traits, they are all sex-links.

 

[cbnovick]

Interesting reading today! I could have sworn someone was also bashed for their own breeding of randomly colored birds once before. I don't quite recall who that was at the moment?

Just call the birds what they are Vivi, they are crosses. Anaisha, while pretty, they are crosses and should not be misreprsented as a pure breed. Alot of times these do better in the summers of TX but it's possible someone would be misled by the label of "Orpington" that is being applied to a bird that only slightly resembles an Orpington.