The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

[rockinpaints]

Nellie, please tell me by PM who spoke to you this way. I would also like to see the messages sent to you if this person is a "higher up" in the APA or ABA.

This is exactly one of the issues the "lavender" is going through. There are several varieties of chickens in the Standard now that are genetically the same color but have different names.

Let me just point out the speckled sussex and the spangled OEG..... same pattern different name. Why would they not allow the UOC, (if the birds were to be bred to Standard) to get them accepted as Jubilee?

OK, I PM'd it to you. Thanks for checking into that.

 

[rockinpaints]

Personally, I agree with keeping the names of colors what has been historically listed in the Standard. However, the Jubilee Orpington was named in honor of the Jubilee. Just like the Coronation Sussex. Until an application for the acceptance of a new variety is made, nothing is for certain. We do know that the Partridge Albertan was accepted in the SOP, but as the Partridge Chantecler.

The closest we are to the Jubilee being accepted is still at least 4 years. It takes 5 breeders who will sear they have raised a variety for 5 years to apply for acceptance. It also takes a lot of ca$h! Since some of these "new" Orpington colors have just arrived, we are still some years off before it is of any true concern. Chocolate should not be an issue as it is not Dun and the Chocolate color is already listed in the Standard.

But there is no need for anyone to get rude or argumenative. Only the Standards Committee can speak for the Standards Committee. They have made it clear on the Self Blue/Lavender issue. But I have not heard anything about the Jubilee/Speckled color.

As for the APA person. Unless he is an officer of the APA or a Standards Committee member, I would ignore him.

I'm sorry if it sounded like he is an APA person, I don't believe he is but he did say he is "an expert on poultry color patterns"........I can pretty much guarantee I am not

 

[deek]

I'm sorry if it sounded like he is an APA person, I don't believe he is but he did say he is "an expert on poultry color patterns"........I can pretty much guarantee I am not

Oh Nellie, I admire you for staying sweet throughout the disagreement. When I grow up I want to be like Nellie.

 

[rockinpaints]

Oh Nellie, I admire you for staying sweet throughout the disagreement. When I grow up I want to be like Nellie.

Thank you for such a gracious compliment!!

 

[Margitas]

I'm sorry if it sounded like he is an APA person, I don't believe he is but he did say he is "an expert on poultry color patterns"........I can pretty much guarantee I am not

Nellie , don't worry ,people working on projects and now they see you pic just jelous.
What you did was harder than now.

 

[Chris09]

Let me just point out the speckled sussex and the spangled OEG..... same pattern different name. Why would they not allow the UOC, (if the birds were to be bred to Standard) to get them accepted as Jubilee?

Speckled as in the Sussex and Spangled as in the Old English Game are to different Patterns.

One example;
Speckled is to have a Mahogany Bay Breast with each feather tipped with White, a Black Bar dividing the White from balance of the feather.

Spangled is to have a Black Breast with small V-shaped White tips

Like I said that is just one example there are other difference also.

Chris

 

[fowlman01]

Nellie, please tell me by PM who spoke to you this way. I would also like to see the messages sent to you if this person is a "higher up" in the APA or ABA.

This is exactly one of the issues the "lavender" is going through. There are several varieties of chickens in the Standard now that are genetically the same color but have different names.

Let me just point out the speckled sussex and the spangled OEG..... same pattern different name. Why would they not allow the UOC, (if the birds were to be bred to Standard) to get them accepted as Jubilee?

I would guess that this was not an APA person and I can tell you that anything he said was not approved by the APA. No one has ever asked the APA about Jubilee. The ABA and the APA are trying to move towards the same names/descriptions for any birds accepted into their Standards. I can probably guess who that person is though.

Walt

 

[fowlman01]

I'm sorry if it sounded like he is an APA person, I don't believe he is but he did say he is "an expert on poultry color patterns"........I can pretty much guarantee I am not

Well on this site we have 70K experts on poultry color patterns, so it could be almost anyone.

Walt

 

[lildinkem]

I am sure I will be corrected on some of what I have to say about the idea of accepting new Orp varieties to the APA. From what I was told, one would have to have raised that variety for 5 years I believe. THEN you all have to show those varieties at an APA sanctioned show. 2 points of issue, one is the fact most here do not show. Secondly, there are now so many new varieties (Chocs, Jubes, Lemon Cuckoos, Partridge, Mottleds, and can't forget about the Lavs which is struggling to keep the interest up) that folks like, to get any one of them popular enough to get 50 birds by how ever many breeders needed to show at a sanctioned APA show to get them accepted is very unlikely. Walt can tell you about how hard the Marans folks have had with getting accpted.
Plus, to repeat what many high level APA breeders have said, our 4 standard colors all need help. Not so for Buffs, but EXHIBITION Whites are virtually extinct in the US. Only a handful of dedicated breeders are raising the Blacks, Blues and Whites. For those who like UK's, it is nice to see a few who are going out and raising Buffs, Whites and BBS's. Those varieties have plenty to gain both in numbers and in these breeder's pockets.

 

[HallFamilyFarm]

I am sure I will be corrected on some of what I have to say about the idea of accepting new Orp varieties to the APA. From what I was told, one would have to have raised that variety for 5 years I believe. THEN you all have to show those varieties at an APA sanctioned show. 2 points of issue, one is the fact most here do not show. Secondly, there are now so many new varieties (Chocs, Jubes, Lemon Cuckoos, Partridge, Mottleds, and can't forget about the Lavs which is struggling to keep the interest up) that folks like, to get any one of them popular enough to get 50 birds by how ever many breeders needed to show at a sanctioned APA show to get them accepted is very unlikely. Walt can tell you about how hard the Marans folks have had with getting accpted.
Plus, to repeat what many high level APA breeders have said, our 4 standard colors all need help. Not so for Buffs, but EXHIBITION Whites are virtually extinct in the US. Only a handful of dedicated breeders are raising the Blacks, Blues and Whites. For those who like UK's, it is nice to see a few who are going out and raising Buffs, Whites and BBS's. Those varieties have plenty to gain both in numbers and in these breeder's pockets.

If everyone with Imported Orpingtons would add a small flock of just one variety of the Buff, Black, Blue or White it would greatly increase the numbers. We are one of the few breeders with all four in large fowl. We had a start of White Orp Bantams and had a poor hatch. We sent the eggs to a friend as our incubator was full. Then her electric went out etc. Projects are wonderful and these new colors are exciting, but if we lose what we started with, it will be sad.

Also if breeders with these 4 colors would release more of them without any strings attached. Many have PM me about breeders not wishing to sell any eggs, chicks or stock. If we will share with some of these novices it would expand their numbers. We will not have any White LF available till next season, but are more than willing to share what we do have.

If we do not preserve the Heritage breeds they will become extinct.