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i just think she is trying to say, lot of people are interested in these english in simple terms...just look at them.

.somehow the breeders were passionate encouraging and their process didnt have to be this difficult..

here you see either people trying their best to chase others out that they perseive as some imaginnary threat or discoragement for strange reasons..i just dont think it has to be this hard like the sulfolk chequred..the breeder thought a particular breed had an unfinished look, so he put a tail that he felt gave the bird overall finished look, they didnt discourage him...he was celebrated and his bird was eventually inducted into their sop..he makes the cover of a lot of magazines..everybody likes what he did.


.for reasons i still dont understand, there is no hand up here like now do this, use this one over that one , or the tail on this bird needs the tail on that female to make ideal..its all you cant do that from a book that has no picture ideal to compare..im trying real hard to understand that mindset..the english jubilee orp far surpasses the conformation criteria.. ..i cant see again what is wrong with them? the hocks show.im objective..i just cant see many if any wrongs .
 
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fowlman01 said:
I guess an ABA life member would say that the ABA has outrun the APA, but that is just not true. When the rest of the southern ABA members pass the ABA will change.
The ABA put in every breed known to man under Gary and now they have had to put lots of them on the inactive list. They don't even list them in their SOP. The attitude towards the admission of breeds/varieties is not different with the current two committee's. The rules for admission are actually more difficult in the ABA. I don't think it is unreasonable to request that the new color meet the conformation criteria as well. Is that unreasonable? Has anyone read what it takes to be admitted into the APA? Not a post, but actually read the rules? It doesn't sound like it in these posts.

Walt
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Walt,

I started in APA as I've always liked BIG birds. In most of the country it is impossible for the APA to hold a show without ABA sanctioning and meets. You know this. It is a shame, but the bantams make up the majority of the entries in the shows. Yes, I know APA sanctions them too, but name 5 shows where the only sanctioning is APA. There is a reason ABA has been successful. Wish I could find an APA show with more than 50 LF in my neck of the woods. I'd rather have a crack at beating 500-1000.
 
fowlman01 said:
I guess an ABA life member would say that the ABA has outrun the APA, but that is just not true. When the rest of the southern ABA members pass the ABA will change.
The ABA put in every breed known to man under Gary and now they have had to put lots of them on the inactive list. They don't even list them in their SOP. The attitude towards the admission of breeds/varieties is not different with the current two committee's. The rules for admission are actually more difficult in the ABA. I don't think it is unreasonable to request that the new color meet the conformation criteria as well. Is that unreasonable? Has anyone read what it takes to be admitted into the APA? Not a post, but actually read the rules? It doesn't sound like it in these posts.

Walt
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Wow, my pictures did all this............
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........... I was out for the afternoon and came back to a lot of chatter. Very interesting stuff and good points of view from all. But I think we are all straying from this threads topic just a tiny bit. If we ever get that far with the English orps we could start a new thread? Yes?

For now I am all for seeing more pics
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of those fluffy butts.

And one last thought, my husband of nearly 33 has grown way to fond of his favorite saying when we are in a debate, could come in handy: "I would agree with you but then we'd both be wrong"
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I'm just sayin......
 
thedragonlady said:
Walt,

I started in APA as I've always liked BIG birds. In most of the country it is impossible for the APA to hold a show without ABA sanctioning and meets. You know this. It is a shame, but the bantams make up the majority of the entries in the shows. Yes, I know APA sanctions them too, but name 5 shows where the only sanctioning is APA. There is a reason ABA has been successful. Wish I could find an APA show with more than 50 LF in my neck of the woods. I'd rather have a crack at beating 500-1000.
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Is most of the country......most of the country being the south. The ABA OEGB guys didn't like me coming to Columbia SC with my little sissy duck and cleaning their clocks, so they tried to change the rules to make the ducks ineligable to compete for best of bantam against the bantam chickens. That was a big enough war to force Poultry Press to say they would not post any more letters concerning the matter. You live in a very small cloistered world down there and the sentiment is no longer in the majority. People in the north, midwest and west have chickens too, No question that LF numbers are not the same as bantams and as you admit the APA recognizes the bantams as well. Other than the south, every show in the US is almost always ABA/APA. I would rather have a crack at beating 3500 or more. btw:The ABA National is at my clubs show in Jan.

The real discussion is the APA admittance proceedure. Jeff told the ABA committee to work with the APA....specifically to work with me.....so that's where it really is. Is the APA unreasonable for requiring the breed meet the conformation standard as well as the color standard? the only answer I have received so far is how great the ABA is. I like the ABA too, I am a past director. That is really what we were talking about. You have been gone a very long time lady....things are not as you remember them in the management of the two clubs.

Walt

People on this site only read what they want to read in posts. It is kind of crazy.
 

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