The IMPORTED ENGLISH Orpington Thread

[heirloomorps]

Most times a black that carries silver will have lighter slate blue legs instead of black.

Also good to know. This is why I love this thread! We don't have lavender Orps yet but are looking into it. We have BBS, Buff and Chocolate bantams right now.

 

[Shaffer]

If you want to see what a lavender with silver base genes look like go to Phillipsacres. These are Sussex but they are all on a silver base and you can see that their color is lighter than the average american project birds but they have white legs.

 

[thedragonlady]

So when you have a blue with red on it... then the sire was most likely a black/gold??

Yes, that's red leakage that shows up in the males rather quickly. Harder to tell on the girls unless they have a brownish cast on the hackles or wing bows.

 

[Shaffer]

Yes, that's red leakage that shows up in the males rather quickly. Harder to tell on the girls unless they have a brownish cast on the hackles or wing bows.

A lot of those can be culled at day old.

 

[aveca]

I was told on the Heritage Large Fowl thread that there is no way visually to know if a black carries the red or not, that you'd have to test breed to see. And that the sheen is simply an indication of good condition. Green - great, purple - not. I've heard about breeding to a "flat black" too. It's been said here that the green is the reflection of the light off the texture of the feathers. That feather texturing makes the sheen. So one could well be flat black though how that all translates I'd never begin to guess. I'd trust the experienced breeders to know, though!

Interesting Sarah..wonder if they ever looked that deep to the quill....lot of these guys have been at this a long time. they are a treasure trove of info..

My mind wants to go to the spectrum you learned in art class...yellow and blue make green.. blue and red make purple..all of that info about illness causing purple barring was so interesting to me, and diet..Im trying to digest all that..

 

[thedragonlady]

Ok here is fly in the soup for you... umm Soo would the purple sheen blacks that are said to be blacks with too much blue in them.. be the right color to breed to the Lavs??

One MORE fly in the soup, Renie.... Most times when you see purple in blacks it shows up as BARRING. This can be caused by genetics, or by diet. Poor feather quality enters into it too. Pull a feather, and compare it to a green sheen one.Most often the purple will have a weaker webbing. Then the question arises...It that due to feeding, or genetics ? I have seen birds showing purple molt out and go green with proper feeding.

You really have to test breed a black male on those Lavenders to see if he's carrying silver , and not red.

 

[aveca]

One of mine did that Vickie, he was a weasle victem, had to be on antibiotics for a spell....that year he developed barring , after molt all of the barred feathers came back to bright green..I gave a younger one away that I kind of wish I didnt cause he was same thing.once he healed up we pulled a couple shoulder feathers ..they also grew back perfect green..I may borrow him back.he is now beautiful color..

 

[galanie]

Ok here's a question: Would a black with gold hackles and mahogany on top of it's wings be carrying red? I'm guessing yes because of the mahogany brown coloring. But the rest is solid black/yellow gold. Or was. That is a description of the last mutt roo I had, dad to this little black mutt.

Don't worry, not planning on using the mutt in any breeding! Just thinking visually, you know.

 

[aveca]

A lot of those can be culled at day old.

Harry, I popped over to read some articles about purpleing in feathers..I saw your lavander orps...AMAZING ..wonderful work..they have fantastic type , and a bit far away but looks like fantastic color too.

 

[Shaffer]

Harry, I popped over to read some articles about purpleing in feathers..I saw your lavander orps...AMAZING ..wonderful work..they have fantastic type , and a bit far away but looks like fantastic color too.

Aveca,
I killed those two roosters. The hens are getting to look better than average but I have a pen of black splits that will give me type without a problem. My lavenders are on silver base mostly infact some have coronation sussex in them to guarantee they carry silver base.
I also added blues to them to make sure they carry silver genes.