The Wyandotte Thread

[slick4591]

yea they are molting. Jerry foley mentioned on his site tails do not change much. But he was explaining about the openess of the hens tail. So I dont know 100 percent if his tail will be higher or lower. No telling. But he will probobly deepen out.

Where are these conversation taking place? Got a link?

 

[chickee]

Darn! I thought so!! We don't have those colors here in the USA, except for what you call buff laced and here we call that color white laced red or splash. You have some awesome birds! Lucky you!! Thanks for posting the pictures. I really enjoyed seeing them!

I'm in Scotland, the breeder brought the eggs up from England.
He was happy to explain a few of the colour basics, Buff x Buff will produce Buff. Buff x Gold will produce Blue. Forgot to ask about the salmon, will just have to wait and see what happens.

 

[cluckadoddledoo]

Thanks Chickee!! totally adicted to chickens now, in a dangerous position as we have loads of room for multiplying numbers.. not good! Off to look at white splash red dottes now.

 

[WyandotteTX]

Love those Salmon colored ones but lets be honest, any color looks good on a Wyandotte.

As for your Buff Laced, they look more like Splash Blue Laced Reds and your comment about crossing them with Gold to make blue also made me think that. A true White Laced Red or Buff Laced will not have the duskiness or smokiness of the white feathers that those are showing. And if you were to cross them with a GL you would get offspring that would be 50/50 split of Buff Laced and Golden Laced...no blue. Good type, pretty birds though.

John

 

[cluckadoddledoo]

Agreed Wyandotte I see what you mean, the pullets have smokey blue feathers around the neck whereas the true buff red laced wyandottes seem not too... interesting.. I prefer the smokey blue neck feathering

I'm new to chickens but know a little about colour genetics in horses so is it the splash that minimalises the blue underbelly feathering and makes it white, as opposed to the red laced blue who's base feathering is an all over blue?

 

[Bleenie]

Pyle was my second favorite after Buff Laced but now I might have a new Top Favorite color of Wyandottes!! I've never seen the Salmon Laced before and your guy is absolutely stunning! I'm hoping to start getting some pretty babies from my roo soon. Hopefully my girls will improve the size.

Hi everyone, have enjoyed reading through many of these pages and just love so many of the pictures shared!!! I think reading through all of them is going to take a bit more time!!

I would like to share a few of our new additions purchased this week. Totally fell in love with our young Wyandotte chicks that I bought a few weeks ago, silver laced, blue laced and gold laced, so added two new trio's to our brood, the first trio is a Salmon Laced Wyandotte and the second a Buff laced Wyandotte. They are such placid birds and just love their peticoats, they remind me of the French Can Can dresses



Our Roo, Oscar



with one of his ladies...





and the trio together...



The ladies looking to see if there are any black currants left!

 

[DMRippy]

I got them! They are molting so they will improve. This is a breeding pair about 15-18 months old from Foley. This roo alone was worth the drive

This is a young pair of BLRW. The pullet is splash and the roo is blue. He is so dark he almost looks black. NO feather shafting on this guy.

This is the roos wing














The red on these guys is at least as dark as my sunglasses, the roo is probably darker.

 

[AinaWGSD]

Agreed Wyandotte I see what you mean, the pullets have smokey blue feathers around the neck whereas the true buff red laced wyandottes seem not too... interesting.. I prefer the smokey blue neck feathering

I'm new to chickens but know a little about colour genetics in horses so is it the splash that minimalises the blue underbelly feathering and makes it white, as opposed to the red laced blue who's base feathering is an all over blue?

Sort of. Blue is a dilution gene in chickens. Andalusian blue, which is the kind at work in blue and blue laced red wyandottes, dilutes black to a greyish color of varying shades. A single copy of the blue gene dilutes black to blue. Two copies of the blue gene takes it a bit further and you get splash, which is very pale blue (in some cases visually white) with varying degrees of spots (or splotches, or "splashes" which is where the term used to describe the color comes from) with darker pigment. Unfortunately I don't know enough about color genetics in horses to come up with an analogy there. The closest I can think of is that it's similar to merle in dogs (except without all the bad genetic side effects that you get with double merle in dogs), one dose of the gene creates one color and two doses creates a similar but distinctly different color. Splash is a little bit easier to visualize on a solid bird than a patterned bird because there is more black pigment to be diluted to blue so it's easier to see the "splashes" of darker blue pigment. Two copies of the blue gene doesn't really minimalize the blue feathering in one area of the bird, it dilutes it further all over with random areas having randomly sized spots of darker blue. The main background color for a splash bird can vary from so close to white that it's impossible to see the difference to simply a light shade of blue. That's why sometimes it can be difficult to tell if a chick is truly a splash or just a very light shade of blue. The amount and size of areas of darker pigmentation also vary widely, from just a few tiny specks that are so hard to see that a bird appears white at a glance to very large spots. I'm not sure why the feathering on the underside of the splash laced birds tend to be consistently lighter than the hackles. Perhaps because there tends to be more pigment in the hackles in general? Or perhaps it's just the way that the andalusian blue gene dilutes the black pigment. Even in most solid blue birds, the feathers on the hackles and top of the back/wings tend to be a darker shade of blue than the breast and under sides.

 

[cluckadoddledoo]

Excellent thank you, so the two are very different as splash is the expression of white in equines. There are dilution genes too which act in the same way on the base colour to varying degrees depending on whether they are hetrozygous or homozygous. Interesting though that it doesn't dilute the red lacing though just the black base pigment of the birds.

 

[cluckadoddledoo]

I can see why DMRippy he's gorgeous! Now is your Roo what we call a silver laced Dotte over here? or is that something different

Your BLRW pullet looks the same as our Buff - now established as Blue Splash Red Laced or am I getting muddled?

The reason I ask is that our BLRW has a blue base colour with red lacing and no white.




So am I right in thinking the splash laced red is homozygous blue (creating the white feathering) and the blue red laced are hetrozyous for blue? This would explain why the breeder said if I breed a buff to a buff I will always get a buff, bearing in mind that we have now established that I don't actually have buffs I have blue splashed reds, right?

Having now researched what we call a Buff over here, it looks like this.

http://cheshirepoultry.co.uk/images/bufflacedwyandotte.jpg