They want to make it ALL illegal. What do you think of Senate Bill 510

oswegoscott wrote: Did you know that Monsanto bought Blackwater (the mercenary outfit)? Guess they need protection for their execs and enforcers for the GM products

I see, nothing specific to post on S510, not surprised.

But, I've a few minutes, so I'll play (will be brief as don't want to hijack, will come back to the subject at hand, however).

Blackwater is now Xe Services LLC. The `former' owners also run a few smaller subsidiaries. They'll end up selling out completely just like the Pinkerton Agency did (now owned by a Swedish Firm). As a matter of fact, the more general subject is an area of concern for all Americans: http://www.jackdavis.org/articles/selling.asp Monsanto, for instance, recently divested itself of its Sunflower line to a Swiss firm: http://www.syngenta.com/global/corporate/en/news-center/news-releases/Pages/en-101213.aspx (Syngenta is the World's largest producer of Ag Chemicals).

Monsanto is a hard-edged Corp. They don't muck about and, like most Corp.s, oversell on the advertising (that's capitalism for you when quarterly earnings rule the roost). Their patent on GE Soybeans (Roundup Ready) expires in 2014. They are pushing their new `brand' and, of course, overstating the yields. Farmers, unless convinced, will soon be able to use Generic Roundup Ready Soybeans and not pay Monsanto the fee per acre. Keep your eye on this case (quote below): http://www.agpolicy.org/weekpdf/537.pdf

As is well known in farming circles, Monsanto is in the process of rolling out their Roundup Ready 2 Yield soybean varieties. Monsanto's marketing task is to persuade farmers to switch from planting soybean varieties using the original Roundup Ready technology a technology that farmers will be able to access for free after its patent expires in 2014 to the new version that would require continued payment of a fee to Monsanto.

Will farmers continue to grow the generic RUR soybeans, in greater numbers? I'm betting so.

Now, I've been listening to every sort of conspiracy theory since the late `50's (as a little kid in SO.Cal). There was a fellow broadcasting on Shortwave from Northern Mexico (so he said). He went on and on about how the Red Chinese were landing troops, from submarines, onto the shores of Baja, Mexico. Once they had enough troops assembled they'd march North to pillage the Greater Southwest. Of course, at the ht. of the Cold War, every sort of marvel was conjured and summoned up. I'm highly skeptical of EVERYTHING. When I visit a website that goes on about Blackwater being hired by Monsanto (actually a stand-alone set up by a former owner - basically a detective agency) and then making a claim that because the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation bought half-a-million shares of Monsanto and that Bill will somehow use the windows operating system to turn us into zombies (that's the gist off it), scuse me while I look over the border for the Chinese... Same thing with Monsanto Vs. Scheimser (I actually read the Canadian Federal Court transcripts).

While one working the voodoo angle, one will probably end up being shot to death as one reaches for one's gun because the swat team is executing a no-knock search warrant on the wrong address. Hunting around in a fury of skill to confiscate a weed that has never, otherwise, resulted in a single death. Or, the gov. decides to actually suppress otherwise legal crops by using the already promulgated regs. based on drug-war Supreme Court decisions. Sorry, I'll spend my time concerning myself with the facts in order to work towards changing the pertinent laws.​
 
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Never ever considered you a liar. I think you are stating your beliefs as facts, and I think most of us have done that occassionally.

I just wanted to be certain I understand which are your beliefs and which are the facts and like you I find that hard to separate when emotions are blinding the issue.

Monsanto makes me see red. Yet I only want to accuse them of sins they actually committed. There are plenty of those without being confused.

This started with me passing along info in an article I read in several places. It wasn't a "belief" thing. You mention belief and facts.
Don't you see--HOW does one get facts without personally seeing something occur? Canoechick refuted my info with info he got FROM a WEBSITE.
I read my info in 4-5 different places. His info caused him/her to allude that I was a liar for the info I read and passed along.! Disinformation,assumptions,
lies,false flags and chicanery are everywhere
 
I don't know much about the bill, but what I do know I don't like. And, Monsanto IS a large evil seed corporation. It is because of them that so many small developing countries around the world have lost the right to grow their own crops. They have sued small farmers for having "their" seeds on their farms that they didn't purchase, just because of wind pollination, and won. Monsanto sets up contracts with small governments, the people are forced to buy their seeds, then can't save them like they have always done, they have to buy more. They don't play fair, and people have a right to grow and save their own seeds, or at least they should....

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/270101

http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/20/741117 (Very good article from Uganda)

http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/20/741117 (with research and support from Jane Goodall Institute)

And you can find loads more. We just don't know what all this GMO food is going to do to us and to growers all around the world. I use safe seeds myself.
 
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Just a couple notes;
SB 510 is no more. There's a YouTube video about it by Christy VanRiper, good to watch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6XlwCyROio&feature=related
However
, look for something similar without the tax issues to crop up in the future!

Also, Xe Services (formerly Blackwater). Here's the article from WZZM tv's webite: http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_story.aspx?storyid=144888

"(WZZM)
- Friday Holland native Erik Prince finalized the sale of the infamous private security company he founded, Blackwater. The North Carolina company is now known as Xe Services.

According to a company statement, Prince will no longer have a leadership or financial stake in Xe.

Prince sold the firm to a group of Los Angeles investors with ties to him.

Blackwater was criticized for its contractors' actions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

By Matt Campbell"
 
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I see, nothing specific to post on S510, not surprised.

But, I've a few minutes, so I'll play (will be brief as don't want to hijack, will come back to the subject at hand, however).

Blackwater is now Xe Services LLC. The `former' owners also run a few smaller subsidiaries. They'll end up selling out completely just like the Pinkerton Agency did (now owned by a Swedish Firm). As a matter of fact, the more general subject is an area of concern for all Americans: http://www.jackdavis.org/articles/selling.asp Monsanto, for instance, recently divested itself of its Sunflower line to a Swiss firm: http://www.syngenta.com/global/corporate/en/news-center/news-releases/Pages/en-101213.aspx (Syngenta is the World's largest producer of Ag Chemicals).

Monsanto is a hard-edged Corp. They don't muck about and, like most Corp.s, oversell on the advertising (that's capitalism for you when quarterly earnings rule the roost). Their patent on GE Soybeans (Roundup Ready) expires in 2014. They are pushing their new `brand' and, of course, overstating the yields. Farmers, unless convinced, will soon be able to use Generic Roundup Ready Soybeans and not pay Monsanto the fee per acre. Keep your eye on this case (quote below): http://www.agpolicy.org/weekpdf/537.pdf

As is well known in farming circles, Monsanto is in the process of rolling out their Roundup Ready 2 Yield soybean varieties. Monsanto's marketing task is to persuade farmers to switch from planting soybean varieties using the original Roundup Ready technology a technology that farmers will be able to access for free after its patent expires in 2014 to the new version that would require continued payment of a fee to Monsanto.

Will farmers continue to grow the generic RUR soybeans, in greater numbers? I'm betting so.

Now, I've been listening to every sort of conspiracy theory since the late `50's (as a little kid in SO.Cal). There was a fellow broadcasting on Shortwave from Northern Mexico (so he said). He went on and on about how the Red Chinese were landing troops, from submarines, onto the shores of Baja, Mexico. Once they had enough troops assembled they'd march North to pillage the Greater Southwest. Of course, at the ht. of the Cold War, every sort of marvel was conjured and summoned up. I'm highly skeptical of EVERYTHING. When I visit a website that goes on about Blackwater being hired by Monsanto (actually a stand-alone set up by a former owner - basically a detective agency) and then making a claim that because the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation bought half-a-million shares of Monsanto and that Bill will somehow use the windows operating system to turn us into zombies (that's the gist off it), scuse me while I look over the border for the Chinese... Same thing with Monsanto Vs. Scheimser (I actually read the Canadian Federal Court transcripts).

While one working the voodoo angle, one will probably end up being shot to death as one reaches for one's gun because the swat team is executing a no-knock search warrant on the wrong address. Hunting around in a fury of skill to confiscate a weed that has never, otherwise, resulted in a single death. Or, the gov. decides to actually suppress otherwise legal crops by using the already promulgated regs. based on drug-war Supreme Court decisions. Sorry, I'll spend my time concerning myself with the facts in order to work towards changing the pertinent laws.​

So much for brevity. Wading through the rhetoric and pomposity,I see one who feels he has succeeded in locating facts.
In the current murkiness of political,military and corporate speech and writing,where do you find the facts that elude the rest of us?
 
That is my concern with journalism today. It used to be their job to objectively seek out information and help us get answers. Now there are so many sites that call themselves news sites....and they have conflicting information. It is possible to shop for a site that says what you want it to. But I don't want to do that. It is difficult.

But who owns Xe/Blackwater? Should be a matter of public record.
 
It seems to me that this thread has been jacked. This forum is about backyard chickens. What does SB510 mean to us? According to Senator Jim Webb not much. Xe formally known as Blackwater owned by Monsanto means nothing to our chickens. Just saying.
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