Thank you, no i have not tried the other threads yet. I have been busy withy Sophie (goose) and one of my silkies who is not feeling well right now. I hate winter time it always seems to bring out the sickies.. I am so done with winter time... Have been trying to chip away at ice so i can get up to and back down from my coops. They are up on a slight hill. Almost fell on my tush more times then i care to remember.. Lol