I bought all my stuff at orschelns. I got a plastic mason jar sized feeder and waterer (plastic) plus a 5lb bag of chick crumbles, a bag of pine bedding 2.3 cubic feet compressed (HUGE), and 3 pullet chicks (2 RIR 1 SLW) for $23. That makes that look like a pretty crappy deal indeed. The box to bring my chicks home in was free.