Vaccines

[Duramaxgirl]

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Thanks for the info I'll pass it on to my extended family that get them every year.

 

[cassie]

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What I don't get is the flu vaccine... why vaccinate against something that only lasts 2 days to a week and is easily not life threatening. I've a bunch of family members that get every vaccine they can. They always get really sick after the flu shot... really sick like worse sick then the flu. And they're always sick with something or other and on antibiotics all the time. They have ear infections all the time foot and mouth I mean the list goes on and on! We don't get sick near as much and I've never had the flu shot. Yes I have had the flu usually once a year or less. I think eating healthy and getting lots of outdoor activity and letting your immune system work for you is better then vaccines. Just my op.

There is flu and there is flu. If it lasts three days chances are it is a cold and not the flu. The flu pandemic of 1918 killed more soldiers than battle ever did. My aunt who lived through that period told me about several of her schoolmates who were fine one day, absent from school the next, and dead within a couple days. As for the milder flus we have seen in modern times, I have known a few people who died of those too. And they weren't old or debilitated either.

As for my neighbor's baby that died of whooping cough I don't think anyone knows where she got it. Doesn't much matter. She's dead. And the aunt, who was the flu survivor, told me about her little sister that died of whooping cough. She wasn't exposed to anyone who had been vaccinated, because there weren't any vaccinations for whooping cough then. And they didn't live in a congested city then either, but on a nice farm with plenty of fresh air and good healthy organic food.

Take a stroll through any old cemetary and see how many childrens' graves there are. Then, if you are so inclined, you can look up public health records of the time and see how many of them died of what are now preventable illnesses.

 

[mom'sfolly]

Actually, the 'flu is deadly. It kills about 250,000 people in the world annually. Mostly the old, young, and sick.

I normally opt out of the 'flu vaccine, but that doesn't change the fact that 'flu does kill.

I also disagree that someone with a healthy immune system will fight off most illnesses that are vaccinated against. Did all the people who died or were damaged in previous epidemics have unhealthy immune systems? Were they all poorly nourished and sickly? Are all the deaf people who experienced prenatal exposure to rubella simply deaf because mom didn't take care of herself?

 

[Duramaxgirl]

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What I don't get is the flu vaccine... why vaccinate against something that only lasts 2 days to a week and is easily not life threatening. I've a bunch of family members that get every vaccine they can. They always get really sick after the flu shot... really sick like worse sick then the flu. And they're always sick with something or other and on antibiotics all the time. They have ear infections all the time foot and mouth I mean the list goes on and on! We don't get sick near as much and I've never had the flu shot. Yes I have had the flu usually once a year or less. I think eating healthy and getting lots of outdoor activity and letting your immune system work for you is better then vaccines. Just my op.

There is flu and there is flu. If it lasts three days chances are it is a cold and not the flu. The flu pandemic of 1918 killed more soldiers than battle ever did. My aunt who lived through that period told me about several of her schoolmates who were fine one day, absent from school the next, and dead within a couple days. As for the milder flus we have seen in modern times, I have known a few people who died of those too. And they weren't old or debilitated either.

As for my neighbor's baby that died of whooping cough I don't think anyone knows where she got it. Doesn't much matter. She's dead. And the aunt, who was the flu survivor, told me about her little sister that died of whooping cough. She wasn't exposed to anyone who had been vaccinated, because there weren't any vaccinations for whooping cough then. And they didn't live in a congested city then either, but on a nice farm with plenty of fresh air and good healthy organic food.

Take a stroll through any old cemetary and see how many childrens' graves there are. Then, if you are so inclined, you can look up public health records of the time and see how many of them died of what are now preventable illnesses.

Thank you for your kind response!

I've done some research on the 1918 flu epidemic. I do love history! I cannot imagine living through it. Correct me if I'm wrong but, wasn't it a flu that was like no others? And there hasn't been one like it since? Its been awhile since I studied it.

Also my kids are my life and my husband made the no vaccine decision with our first a long time ago. I home school and have never and will never do daycare. When he decides on something that adamantly I usually just follow suit. But I have read and researched it before... its been a few years though

we haven't been to the doctor for years as we think such visits should be used for when ones really ill and not just with the common flu/cold.
Also I've known people with polio and my parents both contracted the swine flu that was going around a year or so ago...yes a Doctor diagnosed them with it. They where VERY sick... but they both lived through it, And didn't have to be hospitalized with it. They where sick for over 10 days. But Maybe it wasn't as bad as the flu that you all are talking about.
I'm sorry for all those that have had losses due to these diseases.

 

[hilareee]

i was vaccinated for all the usuals as a baby. i had a bad reaction to the pertussis part of the DPT, and i have a scar on my thigh from it. i love my scar. still, if or when i have babies, i'll go ahead with all vaccines. i think the risk is larger without vaccines for all the various illnesses. just my opinion.

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[cassie]

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There is flu and there is flu. If it lasts three days chances are it is a cold and not the flu. The flu pandemic of 1918 killed more soldiers than battle ever did. My aunt who lived through that period told me about several of her schoolmates who were fine one day, absent from school the next, and dead within a couple days. As for the milder flus we have seen in modern times, I have known a few people who died of those too. And they weren't old or debilitated either.

As for my neighbor's baby that died of whooping cough I don't think anyone knows where she got it. Doesn't much matter. She's dead. And the aunt, who was the flu survivor, told me about her little sister that died of whooping cough. She wasn't exposed to anyone who had been vaccinated, because there weren't any vaccinations for whooping cough then. And they didn't live in a congested city then either, but on a nice farm with plenty of fresh air and good healthy organic food.

Take a stroll through any old cemetary and see how many childrens' graves there are. Then, if you are so inclined, you can look up public health records of the time and see how many of them died of what are now preventable illnesses.

Thank you for your kind response!

I've done some research on the 1918 flu epidemic. I do love history! I cannot imagine living through it. Correct me if I'm wrong but, wasn't it a flu that was like no others? And there hasn't been one like it since? Its been awhile since I studied it.

Also my kids are my life and my husband made the no vaccine decision with our first a long time ago. I home school and have never and will never do daycare. When he decides on something that adamantly I usually just follow suit. But I have read and researched it before... its been a few years though

we haven't been to the doctor for years as we think such visits should be used for when ones really ill and not just with the common flu/cold.
Also I've known people with polio and my parents both contracted the swine flu that was going around a year or so ago...yes a Doctor diagnosed them with it. They where VERY sick... but they both lived through it, And didn't have to be hospitalized with it. They where sick for over 10 days. But Maybe it wasn't as bad as the flu that you all are talking about.
I'm sorry for all those that have had losses due to these diseases.

The 1918 flu was like no other. It was a world wide pandemic. By world wide I mean world wide. Everyone who was alive during that period, no matter what part of the world they were in at the time, has antibodies to it. Which means they were exposed. It is still not completely known why it was so deadly, but it is known that it was the result of the flu virus combining in several different animals living in close proximity. Like chickens, ducks, swine, and people. There is no reason it will not happen again, which is why researchers world wide track flu strains so religiously. By the way, the History Channel has a tape or DVD available you can buy about the 1918 flu.

 

[Chickerdoodle13]

Just wanted to mention:

A lot of the paranoia over vaccines (most specifically that vaccines cause autism) was started by a man named Andrew Wakefield. He had NO scientific evidence to support his claims and his hypotheses have since been dismissed after ACTUAL studies revealed his claims had no scientific basis.

Here's an interesting article if you'd like to read more.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_...acy-by-anti-vaccine-activists/?tag=bnetdomain

 

[ChikeeMomma]

Didn't read through all the responses. We do vaccinate. We keep up pretty regularly on everything, even we adults. The only one that we may not get yearly, although, I think is helpful is the flu vaccine. I have had a very bad case of influenza in the past. It lasted for 3 weeks. I, basically, was absolutely out of it for a week and then it took another two weeks before I felt better. I am always sure to get the flu vaccine for my family when I'm expecting and we have a young baby in the house. Other years it falls by the wayside. Hubby and I did get updated with our Dtap shot (diptheria, tetanus, and pertussis). I did have a reaction to that one, but not a terribly bad one. Hubby did not have a reaction.

 

[runsw/scissors]

Here is one perspective that I think few people stop to consider, when you accept the small chance of harm that comes with being vaccinated you are doing your part to wipe out lethal diseases. Smallpox has been obliterated (except in labs) because people were vaxed for it.

Also when you or children get sick from these illness there is the hassle of being so sick and possibly the expense of treating for those illnesses.

Lastly, we as parents don't live with the results of NOT vaxing, our children DO! They will live blind or sterile or scarred or with heart damage. We as parents also live with some of it, yes; but ultimately it's the ones on whose behalf the choices were made that really have to live with it.

I totally understand that when you or your child is harmed that small chance becomes a certainty, and I know that if so much money wasn't spent on proving vaccine safety again and again and again scientists could come up with vaccines that work for all of us with even less risk. As it is vaccines don't take for everyone person (Hep B has never taken with me and I've tried 3x now! I still have NO antibodies to it) perhaps scientists could address that! People who really believe that big pharma is out to harm us all aren't stopping to consider all those employees, do you have any idea how much protection and money would come the way of any whistle blower?! Our goverment can't even issue boots in the correct size to our soldiers, how could they possibly succeed in harming so many?!

My reletives have absolute horror stories of the devastation that diseases did before there were vaccines for them. I would not want to go back to that!

 

[Livinzoo]

I just love how people live in this fantasy world of vaccines won't hurt my kid but the disease may.

If you watch the video you will see the people in it were actually for getting their kids vaccinated and one ladies baby DIED from a vaccine. One ladies teenager was on tons of medications to deal with all the problems she was having due to the vaccine. And at the end of the video she told her mom she wanted off the meds and if that meant dieing so be it.

YOU COULD DIE from a vaccine. Just as you could from a disease. It is up to the parent to do the research and decide what to do. Just as your kid may die from the chicken pox he could also die from the vaccine.

1 in 6 children now have a neurological disorder. Do you think this might be because we inject our kids with neuro-toxins when they are young and developing. Personally I don't use antiperspirants because of the Aluminum. Many vaccines contain Aluminum. The ones that don't usually have mercury or MSG. I also avoid mercury fillings and food containing MSG. LOL it just shocks me.

And to all of you who are saying vaccines are responsible for the declines of diseases. Do some research they were already declining before the vaccine came on to the market. I posted a link to some graphs showing the cases vs the years of several diseases.

Sanitation was a big problem many years ago. Diseases spread quicker than they would today. Yes lots of people died due to diseases that they now have vaccines for. But people didn't wash their hands like they do now.

And yes parents have to live with the results if their child is vaccine injured or if the are injured by a disease. So either way you could go wrong. You are the one who has to determine what you can live with.

Personally I just want parents to realize they do have a choice and they should educate themselves on it prior to just doing something because a doctor says so.

Also I really wish we could get a large group of people together to push the government into safer vaccines, some that don't have toxins in them. They also need to have and independent 3rd party test drugs before the FDA releases it.