Vaccines

[Chickerdoodle13]

Menigitis is a good point. Working in EMS, I've seen quite a few serious bouts of the disease, and more deaths than I can remember. That is one disease I would not want to take chances with.

And someone else mentioned the number of vaccine injuries vs. the number of vaccines given. This is a good point. The are many, many, MANY vaccines given, and injuries are very rare. It's sort of like crossing the street. Thousands, if not millions, of people do it every day. Sometimes a person will get hit by a car. Unfortunately, for that person, it can be a very traumatic experience, and could even mean death. But for most, despite the obvious risk, they will continue to cross the street. However, I do agree it is important to do your research and make an informed decision (Before crossing the street OR getting a vaccine! LOL).

 

[ChikeeMomma]

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-- Good point Chickerdoodle!

 

[Tarja]

I am ok with vaccines, but I refuse the idea of giving multiple at one time in infants and young kids. I also don't see a benefit to the chicken pox vaccine, but do the menigitis and Guardasil.

 

[spiritdance]

quote=Livinzoo]I really didn't want this as a debate for or against vaccines. I really just want people to educate themselves and be able to make an informed decision.

Then perhaps you should post some links to the injury and death rates associate with tetanus, polio, measles, mumps, rubella, etc. BEFORE we had vaccines available! The ONLY reason you can make the statement that you run more risk from the vaccine than the disease is because vaccines have reduced the prevalence of these diseases! All it takes for this HUGE GAIN in quality of life to be lost is for enough people to stop vaccinating and allow these diseases to again run rampant! We live in a free society, so you can do as you choose, BUT DON"T COME AROUND MY FAMILY IF YOU DON'T VACCINATE!!!... No one should be "free" to spread contagion any more than they should be free to dump toxic waste or vent radiation or etc.! Many people in our society CANNOT vaccinate to protect themselves - cancer patients, people with immune deficiencies, infants younger than optimum age, etc. - and when someone "exercises their right" not to vaccinate and then goes out in public, that person puts all these people, who have NO CHOICE, at serious risk. Before you tout the benefits of being informed, inform yourself. Vaccination has so radically reduced the devastation of contagious diseases that there really is no debate ... vaccination saves lives, period.

 

[runsw/scissors]

The advantage to the chicken pox vaccine is that by being vaccinated you are are MUCH less likely to get chicken pox and thus will not get shingles. You can ONLY get shingles if you have had chicken pox.

No, vaccines are not 100% fool proof some people who get vaccinated do get the illness, but by getting vaccinated you are doing your part to wipe out that illness as well as helping to protect the sick, the old and the youngest members of our society.



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[Tarja]

My youngest sister got the chix pox vaccine, never the actual virus, yet she has broken with shingles repeatedly. Not what drs expected to see in a 13 yo. She gets a cold sore, she gets shingles. So I don't trust it for that one reason.

 

[MeatKing]

We've had kids in the daycare with shingles. You can't get shingles unless you've had chicken pox.. I thought?

 

[gallopingfrog]

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Shingles are a more severe form of chicken pox that usually on adults get...most of the time when they were vaccinated against chicken pox.

 

[mom'sfolly]

Shingles is NOT a more severe form of chicken pox. Shingles is caused by residual chicken pox virus in your blood stream. If you have never, ever had any exposure to chicken pox, you cannot get shingles. Shingles happens when dormant virus on nerve cells is reactivated. Chicken pox is related to the herpes virus, and like herpes can linger lifelong. This means that the dormant virus can reactivate and cause shingles at any point in your lifetime. People can't catch shingles, it is not contagious, but occasionally people can catch chicken pox from shingles. If an older person, never exposed to the chicken pox virus, get exposed, they get chicken pox, not shingles.

I had shingles in my early 30s. It was miserable, and I've never been sicker in my life. I would rather have the appendix out, again, that have that again. My case, a rare type, affected 7 out of 12 cranial nerves on the left side of my body. I had vertigo, double vision, no sense of taste, Bell's Palsy, no sense of smell, no feeling on the left side of my face, tinnitus, sore throat (shingles on my throat), trouble swallowing, deafness, and horrible headaches.

Most adults over 30 haven't been vaccinated against chicken pox. The vaccine first became available in 1995, so anyone older than about 20-25 has not been vaccinated.

Facts, not rumor, please.

http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/shingles/shingles-topic-overview

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/shingles/DS00098

 

[Livinzoo]

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I already posted this once http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html Here are graphs showing death rate prior to vaccination and after. And as you can see the diseases were already in the decline before vaccines.

Also if you are SO confident in vaccines than someone that is not vaccinated should pose no problem to you. On the contrary there are vaccines that shed and the recently vaccinated can spread it to others. Some vaccines shed for up to 14 days.

Chicken pox virus staying in your body is why you get shingles. If a person that has had chicken pox is not exposed to chicken pox again they have a higher chance of getting shingles. The exposure to the chicken pox virus gives your body a booster. This is why we are going to be having a lot more people with shingles in the up and coming years.

The problem with comparing the vaccine rate with the number of reported injuries is that a good portion of the injuries are not reported. SIDS is a classic example. I can't tell you how many stories I have heard of a baby getting a vaccine and dieing that day or a few days later. It is usually reported a SIDS. The parents believe it was caused by the vaccine, but the dr does not want to say that a vaccine caused it. 1 in 6 kids now have a neurological disorder. Personally I feel it is a result of all the toxins both in the environment and in vaccines. This is where a parent has to use their judgment.

You want to point fingers at the unvaccinated for spreading illness: Do you know some vaccines shed? http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/02/24/secondary-transmission-%EF%BB%BFthe-short-and-sweet-about-live-virus-vaccine-shedding/

Also trying to eradicate once mild and common childhood diseases is just going to cause them to evolve. This is the case with Whooping cough. Just like a hospital is kept so sterile the only bacteria that survive there are ones that have evolved and become more deadly. Like MRSA.

Here is a real educational site on vaccines. It is not Anti-vax or pro-vax, it is just the facts. http://www.nvic.org/