What Is So Hard To Understand.......

[Ridgerunner]

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I think you summed up my attitude real well. Suburbs is different than rural, some animals are pets and others work, and there are cosequences when an animal causes trouble. I really don't mind when a neighbor's dog keeps a raccoon away from my chickens or deer away from my apple trees.

My one point you did not mention is that it is not OK for people to drop off animals in the country. But real nice summary.

 

[chickerdoodle]

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I think you summed up my attitude real well. Suburbs is different than rural, some animals are pets and others work, and there are cosequences when an animal causes trouble. I really don't mind when a neighbor's dog keeps a raccoon away from my chickens or deer away from my apple trees.

My one point you did not mention is that it is not OK for people to drop off animals in the country. But real nice summary.

I mentioned that although I live in the burbs I DO understand the dilemma. I thought that was part of the discussion and hope it didn't add to the confusion.

 

[dacjohns]

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I disagree. Non-native does not equal invasive and invasive does not equal non-native. There are many non-natives that are not invasive and there are many natives that are invasive.

 

[FireTigeris]

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I disagree. Non-native does not equal invasive and invasive does not equal non-native. There are many non-natives that are not invasive and there are many natives that are invasive.

Ok, except the term for native-invasive is 'strong community' or 'thrives in the native environment' I don't think there are any native that would be considered invasive. Just the nature of the term.

But you are right about the other terms, most non-native just do horribly out of their own environment.

 

[sourland]

Are you saying that feral cats are indeed non-invasive? Tell that to all the native species that they destroy. Or how about what they and the fox (non-invasive?) have done to the marsupial population in Australia.

 

[farmerlor]

We've got some feral cats. People have dumped them. I call them 'ditch kitties'. We have indeed rehabbed these cats by trapping them, spaying them, feeding them and keeping them around to control mice. They're not terribly friendly but if you move real slow and speak real soft they will allow a little petting and they do their job. They're terrified of my birds so we've got an understanding. We have one that we found in the ditch as a kitten who is now a beloved and old, entitled pet. That said, any feral animals come here and attack my birds they will be dead animals or gone animals. I've even given away one of my own dogs because he couldn't learn to stay away from chickens so you know I have no problem getting rid of some strange animal that decides it might be happy hunting here at Alberti farm.

 

[FireTigeris]

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Who is that to- like I said there are three different conversations going on. Help us out and quote.

It like this: Faulty logic-

Some sheep have black wool
All Sheep have wool
Therefore if its black and has wool its a sheep.

But other critters have wool too.

We are not saying there are not invasive species, but not all non-native things are invasive, and not all non-native things cause trouble.

I have two non-native plants in my whole yard (one not by choice)

One is a Mimosa its very invasive.

One is a beneficial plant, parsley, its non-native but also non-invasive.


Horses are non-native in recent historical times to the Americas...

 

[dacjohns]

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I disagree. Non-native does not equal invasive and invasive does not equal non-native. There are many non-natives that are not invasive and there are many natives that are invasive.

Ok, except the term for native-invasive is 'strong community' or 'thrives in the native environment' I don't think there are any native that would be considered invasive. Just the nature of the term.

But you are right about the other terms, most non-native just do horribly out of their own environment.

This is getting off topic but when we start to tinker with the environment we can easily change conditions so that some our native species become invasive. It generally isn't as severe or long lasting as a non-native invasive species but it still can happen.

ETA

I should have finished reading the thread before I responded.

 

[dacjohns]

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If you are referring to my exchange with FireTigris, no, I am not saying feral cats are non-invasive. I was referring to the general statement of non-native species being invasive.

 

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