What is the deal with FG diatomaceous earth? Studies/articles please? Safety?

Discussion in 'Predators and Pests' started by Chickadooo, Sep 18, 2018.

  1. EggSighted4Life

    EggSighted4Life Free Ranging

    LOL! :rant

    Eggzactly! :sick

    I also saw that video, what a crack pot! :duc Glad I'm not her chickens.

    Yes, free speech doesn't seem so free when lives are actively being effected. :confused:

    I'm just thankful to have a good dose of common sense and some discernment to weed through all the nonsense. :thumbsup
  2. Helloworld

    Helloworld Songster

    Jul 17, 2018
    Down on the Suwannee River
    I use red clay brand DE for flies and dust baths. It has silica which is basically microscopic glass which is used to cut bugs when they walk across. Reptiles can’t be covered in it without damage either. I use it to break ammonia levels as well. I use it on my roses to prevent diseases from high humidity and bugs. I have used for many many years.

    I wear a mask as it says you should.
    I also use it in their food to worm them by mixing into food and providing just enough water to make it stick to feed.
    I have never used anything else. I have never had crop impactions either and it is most likely because the DE helps break it down. As far as respiratory issues, if you don’t use because you are worried your poultry can’t handle it, watch them create their own dust hole and grind the dirt so small until they can roll in it and completely cover themselves in it. Also note, there should be only about 5% silica so the amount a person or animal would have to breath to affect them is a lot.
  3. Al Capon

    Al Capon Songster

    Dec 12, 2017
    Central OK
    I spread DE around the yard as an Elephant deterrent.!

    Works like a charm....
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  4. Shadrach

    Shadrach Roosterist

    Jul 31, 2018
    Catalonia, Spain
    My Coop
    Don't think we've got DE out here; plenty of hardwood trees though.
    No worries though, I doubt Al Gore knows where Catalonia is.:p
    So given it's kinda warm here and I don't get the stove running until....hmmmm, when it gets colder, and don't have anywhere to keep the requisite amount of woodash...hard of course...should I be smashing up bits of rock with a sledge hammer and feeding them to the chicken in case they have worms....?

    (how exactly do you float shit?)
    Fat Bird! Get in that pond!:lol:
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  5. aart

    aart Chicken Juggler!

    Nov 27, 2012
    SW Michigan
    My Coop
    Do you mean Red Earth brand?
    It is mostly clay with a tiny bit of DE in it.
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  6. Helloworld

    Helloworld Songster

    Jul 17, 2018
    Down on the Suwannee River
    Whats the reason for all of the hate?
    I try to remember that 99% of all people do not even hear or pay attention to me.

    What makes you think your ugly opinion will provide any help to any of us? What made you think one person’s opinion should be judged by your standards?

    If something is not working for you, why are the rest of us are expected to believe you over them?

    I am new here but I have been here on this site before and I left because there was more hen pecking than help.

    I hope you will be there and contribute in a more positive manner for all of us. A simple “DE has not seemed to work for me” would have been enough but you not only blew all that up but also attacked someone else’s character on a website you enter and watched and mentioned her name and what you thought of her views.

    Forums are about one thing:

    Opinions are to be read, learned from and possibly find an answer to help even if it did not help you. It is also about creating a positive community for newbies who need help not attitude. I am sad to see this so soon after coming back.

    DE works very well for my farm. I am sorry you did not have luck but it should also be said that not just any DE will do. I swear by Red Clay and it is worth a try. I have used it everywhere and no problems. It may very well be that environmental conditions affect its effacy. But that is something everyone should take into account and decide for themselves based on not just one opinion but many. I hope you find some happiness today.
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  7. Helloworld

    Helloworld Songster

    Jul 17, 2018
    Down on the Suwannee River
  8. Ninjasquirrel

    Ninjasquirrel Songster

    May 11, 2018
    Everyones birds are different. If it works for you then thats great. Some people have a LOT of chickens and generally DE doesnt work for them because they can get overly infested. I have 8 birds and the DE combined with wood ash seems to work for me. So im going to keep doing it regardless of the nay sayers. Could it be Im wasting my time using it and Im better off using fairy dust? Possible. But I think it works so Im doing it. I say try it and if it doesnt work for you then now you know and its time to break out the chemicals.
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  9. Mimi’s 13

    Mimi’s 13 fuhgettaboutit

    Jan 6, 2018
    Centre, AL
    I do not know anything about scientific research on DE so I can’t speak to any of that. However, I am plenty happy to tell you what I DO KNOW about DE.

    When I first started keeping chickens in the spring of 2016, I was beyond excited, like most people, and found myself reading everything that was “best” for my birds. Enter DE. It was the all around cure all for everything bad that happened to chickens. So off I went to several co-ops around me, not even knowing how to pronounce what I was asking for. Yep, I never had heard of it, which should have been some clue to me if my granddaddy had never used it, but that hadn’t registered with me at the time. Several places had it mixed in with other types of gardening stuff, but I wanted the real deal for my chickens. So off I went to another store and showed the fella a picture of what I wanted. “Oh yeah, we have that right over here,” and he led me straight to it. I told him it had to be food grade, and sure enough it was.

    DE in hand I headed home. Yep, me, the newbie was fixing to use what all the old timers used. (Insert pat on back here.)

    Now my fairly expensive prefab coop was one that was advertised to hold eight chickens. Yes, eight, count em, 1-2-3-4, that was it, all that it would hold and fitting for another thread. So I had roughly a 3x3 space that I was going to “doctor” with the DE. At the time I was using pine shavings (I now use construction grade sand...in a different coop, I might add.) I opened the side door, which I added for more ventilation, and sprinkled away. Cool, I was on my way to really being a chicken keeper. I can’t even remember now exactly what I wanted to use it for. Something preventative I’m sure. (Side note: sometimes we want to prevent stuff that isn’t all that bad to just treat if and when it happens, IMO, hindsight being 20/20.)

    Back to the gist of this story. Every morning I would lean my head and upper torso into the little coop to clean the nightly droppings. My coop was clean, my hens were happy and life was grand. After doing this for about a week or two, I noticed my nose bleeding just a tad when I would clean it (TMI?, probably. We can talk about all things poopy and gross regarding livestock, but it doesn’t seem appropriate to talk about picking your nose,) but I didn’t think anything about it. Well, I wondered why it was bleeding but I guess I just didn’t give it a second thought because I didn’t change anything that I was doing. Now bear in mind, I did not add DE to the existing shavings. One good sprinkle coating when they were changed out is all. But the coop and shavings were dry and the little bit of stirring up I did getting the poop out, I inhaled it. Needless to say my nose continued to bleed and bled all the time. I put two and two together and stopped using the DE.

    It is now 2 1/2 years later. I am still far from being an expert, but from my experience gained, reading BYC religiously, and a butt load of common sense, I now realize that the DE was definitely what was causing my nose to bleed. How do I know that? Because it stopped bleeding when I stopped using the DE. How could I subject my chickens to that? Not only did they breathe it I’m sure they ingested some. Nope, nada, no way were my birds gonna suffer with me knowing what I knew.

    I still have my container of DE. It sits on the shelf in my new chicken house, maybe as a reminder, who knows.

    Oh, and BTW, I still have my little coop built for 8. It houses one cockerel. He loves it!
    Last edited: Sep 20, 2018
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  10. EggSighted4Life

    EggSighted4Life Free Ranging

    Sorry it came off hateful... :oops:I love BYC and the friendly and CARING community experience, including the nonstop learning AND welcoming newbies... even if they are easily offended or have their own notions. It wasn't hate... it was passion for getting the truth out there despite people who SHOULD have more concern than just spreading old wives tales (especially when it could literally be life or death). Sorry you couldn't tell the difference in my intent. Saying that someone was pedaling what I considered to be a load of crap is not to me attacking their character... I didn't call them names or question their personal intelligence... HOW did I attack character... Please? :confused: The term ..
    1. lack of knowledge or information.
    I feel that person has a lack of knowledge or information regarding THIS subject.

    Again I'm sorry it came off that way to you. :( We ALL have reasons we react the way we do. Definitely don't let one persons' post change your mind about being able to enjoy yourself here! :thumbsup

    DE happens to be one of those hot button topics. And my guess, people are passionate on both sides... I follow the science when possible... and if you read my other posts would see that I am open to new information and strive to be friendly and helpful, even if things don't ALWAYS come out or get expressed correctly. :cool:

    Yep, I can be kinda hard core and to the point sometimes AND I didn't say it didn't work for anyone... but that it is ineffective in MANY environments and on many pests... I provided my support in links and also said to each their own in a FRIENDLY manner... and asked for studies or before and after fecal floats from people who use DE as an ALLEGED worming agent. I don't go for luck... I go for facts... after lots of research it is clear where I stand on DE.... without having to subject my pets or family to it. I don't need to try lead poisoning to know it's not welcome at my house. :hmm

    Anyways... thanks for letting me know it bothered you and giving me a chance to review my post and response. I will TRY to be gentler even when I am passionate in the future... taking into consideration that not everybody can read my post and appreciate my perspective... aim to stay more politically correct... because BYC is an amazing and SAFE place with people from all walks of life willing to share their individual expereinces... :highfive:

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