NubbyRyuu

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Hello everyone, NubbyRyuu here!

My neighbor, who I've become friends with, has a bunch of chickens, all used for egg laying. I've befriended a few over time, including one I've named my account after, Nubby.

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She was a very sweet chicken who my neighbor took in from another person. Because she was raised on a farm, she always came up to my barn on a daily basis to lay an egg. She was the first who allowed me to pet her and hold/pick her up, and with the recent cold weather and snow, I'd carry her straight back to her coop.

Well, yesterday afternoon, she passed away without warning. According to my vet (who came out to look at my goat at the time), Nubby had experienced frostbite, which explained the missing toes. Hey, she still thrived!

I'm gonna say the last couple days, she had this weird lump on the underside of her foot. I didn't notice it until later that night after I dried her off with a towel and hairdryer (it was 50s, humid, and pouring; I kept the hairdryer at a good few inch distance, taking short breaks so she didn't get hot). After reading online about what it could be, becoming increasingly worried it was the dreaded Bumblefoot, I went out and checked, which Nubs let me do. No scratches, nics, cuts, nor blackness nor hardening was present: just a soft, squishy lump that was painful and kept her from walking. We agreed to let her stay the night in my barn where she was comfortable and not stressed (plus it was night at this point), and I gave her a 10-15 minute Epsom foot soak. I checked her twice before bed, making sure she wasn't too cold (I have no bird-bird accommodations, just hay), and confident she'd be fine, I went to bed.

Early the next morning, I checked on her and she was fine. Still eating, still drinking, just not too thrilled on moving around. She was still alert, and when her flockmate came by and saw her, they both went into their little "scream songs". I returned her to her coop once I was done with the barn, where she grabbed some water and food. I stood by a few minutes making sure none of her flockmates would pick on her. After a few minutes, Nubby flew up to a small perch and stayed there last I saw, no one going after her.

Well, later that night while I was at work, I got the upsetting news Nubby had mysteriously died, the Rooster staying with her. A vet appt was scheduled for her, but it was too late.

Looking around online, trying to wrap my brain around this (and my only experience with birds being a cockatiel), I'm not sure what this could've been. I learned Nub's previous owner just basically gave her up with no info on anything including age and the obvious deformity. The only thing I could narrow it to was an infection from the frostbite (sounds like gangrene), but it still doesn't sound right. The only other think I could think of is a possible injury she may have received when she fell in the coop resulting in a bald spot on her chest (kinda near the crop); she still seemed fine though.

We do have one positive take-away though: four eggs containing chicks!

Sorry this is so long, I wanted to provide as much info as I could. Would anyone out here know what could've caused this sudden death? Underlying issues? An infection we didn't know about? Age? It's all too strange.
 

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Is the photo you posted recent. Her frost bitten toes look to have healed very well and I would probably discount gangrene from that.
Production reds are prone to reproductive ailments as they get older but there is no indication of abdominal swelling from that photo which is why I ask if it was recent. Abdominal swelling is common with reproductive disorders so and it sounds like she laid eggs recently since your post suggests you are incubating her eggs... (good luck with that) so those things would probably rule that out.
A swollen foot could point to gout and/or possible kidney disease but unlikely if she was still laying eggs. Another cause of a swollen foot could be MS (Micoplasma Synoviae). Did she display any respiratory symptoms as well as the swollen foot. I know she is dead but can you post some photos of her and her feet as that might help us but to be fair we would still be guessing and a necropsy is the way to get to the bottom of it. Some state labs in the USA are heavily subsidised for such services, so it can be relatively cheap (even free in some states) whilst others are more pricey. Other parts of the world, veterinary colleges are the place to go for this service. Or you can perform a DIY necropsy and take photos of what you find and share them here and we will try to help you figure out what went wrong. Personally I hate the suggestion that a bird died of old age (or sudden death syndrome). There is always a medical cause of death whether we are able to pin point it or not is down to our knowledge and efforts to do so. If she was still laying regularly, particularly at this time of year, she was not a very old bird.

Edited to add clarification to my initial wording regarding reproductive disorder in the second paragraph.
 
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I really must apologise, as I did not offer my sympathies for your loss in my previous post. That was really insensitive of me :oops:. She was clearly a well loved chicken and you must be really feeling her loss even if she was not your bird.
I know it can be emotionally taxing thinking about cutting her open, but I find that it also gives me some closure and often I learn something from the process which helps me in the future or helps me to help someone else via this forum, so it can be a beneficial process if you can overcome the mental obstacle of doing a necropsy yourself.
Obviously, since this was not actually your hen, you would need to seek permission from your neighbour before going ahead with that. If you decide to do it and get the green light from next door, there are a few of us that have quite a bit of experience at this and would be happy to guide you through it.
 
Hello NubbyRyuu.
Welcome to BYC.
I'm sorry to read you've lost your friend Nubby.
As rebrascora mentions a necropsy may give you the reason your this hen died.
It is possible that in falling she cracked a bone and/or received some internal injury.
If she was eating, mobile (despite the foot/leg problems) and laying eggs then disease wouldn't be what I would have looked for first.
 

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