Why does it matter whose line it is from?

[Krys109uk]

I am certain that the German lined Welsummers tend to be a little darker in color than the UK/Netherland lines. It is that way for Faverolles.

Interesting

Have you got a pic of the German wWellies I only know what UK & Netherland Wellies look like?

I think it's the French that have lighter coloured Faverolles. I'm not sure the French birds have mahogany. Could be wrong though as I've never bred them.​

 

[EweSheep]

The Mahogany Faverolles were an offshoot of the Salmon Faverolles or they usually call them "Sport Faverolles". I am almost certain that Dick Boulanger MIGHT have told me that the German Faverolles are darker in their colors, darker salmon colors in the females but the males remained the same but a tad darker shades almost like deep bronze colors in their tail rump feathers. (stickles?)

As for the Welsummers, the pullet breast feathers are almost dark salmon, or chestnut brown with very faint shade of salmon. I got one like that and was not too impressed since I wanted salmon shades in their breast feathers. My Welsummer Bantams, you can see their chest feathers are darker than my LF Welsummers. The bantams are from German lines (or their grandparents were imported from Germany).

That is my observation what I have seen in Welsummer pictures of the UK and Germany.

 

[kathyinmo]

This thread has been very interesting. I thank you all for your insight.

 

[Krys109uk]

The Mahogany Faverolles were an offshoot of the Salmon Faverolles or they usually call them "Sport Faverolles". I am almost certain that Dick Boulanger MIGHT have told me that the German Faverolles are darker in their colors, darker salmon colors in the females but the males remained the same but a tad darker shades almost like deep bronze colors in their tail rump feathers. (stickles?)

Salmon Salmon Faverolles are silver wheaten with mahogany & autosomal red(s), making the hackles of the males a richer yellow colour & darkens the salmon pat of the females. The Mahogany Faverolles are gold wheaten with mahogany & autosomal red(s), which is altogether darker.
I think the French Salmon Faverolles are just silver wheaten with autosomal red(s) which only gives a tint to the silver hackles in the males & gives the lighter salmon colour in the females.

What shade do you mean by salmon breasts in wellies? Are US irds different to UK birds? When I had silver duckwing wellies they had salmon breasts but the partridge wellies had a deep rich brown red kind of breast, presumably caused by the mahogany, though at the time I just called it "the gene which makes them redder" when I messed around & got yellow silver duckings with chestnut shoulders.

 

[emjay]

who'd a thought chickens were so complex, I tell my husband the things I read here and he always says ''they're chickens" I have to laugh, he's correct in the sense, that yes, they are chickens. when I was little, it was all about 'how many eggs we collected that day' and ' putting them in the freezer'
now it has become so complex. or maybe it always was and just didn't know it.

I'm going to stay out of the complexity of it all, the lines, the show quality etc. As long as my hens lay me some eggs, I'm okay with that. hahaha. But, it is an interesting read. who knew??

I have contemplated letting my daughter enter a chicken in a fun poultry show for pets, that might be fun.

 

[Krys109uk]

I have contemplated letting my daughter enter a chicken in a fun poultry show for pets, that might be fun.

Sounds like fun.

 

[lildinkem]

Just one more thought on why you want to know about the lines of your birds, IF you plan on continuing that line.
When I ask about a breeders lines, a GREAT question is who would that breeder use to complement their lines. Usually it is already blood in the line you are interested in.
Today I found that out from one of my Buff Orp breeders, he told me the ONLY other breeders line he would use on his birds. Secrets like this is GOLD. It's GOLD I tell ya,
!!! G O L D !!!