why its not a good idea to allow people to vist new born puppies

Discussion in 'Other Pets & Livestock' started by xchairity_casex, Sep 10, 2011.

  1. xchairity_casex

    xchairity_casex Chillin' With My Peeps

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    found this Ad on craigslist:

    14 purebred irish setter puppies were born yesterday all will be ready to go in 8 weeks! pick your puppy now before they are all spoken for!
    asking 50$ deposit on males 100 for females
    come and vist them today! they would love to meet you!

    for those of you who dont know about parvo or how it works:
    paro is a deadly virus that affects dogs and puppies cardiovascular sytems
    and is HIGHLY CONTAGEIOUS!!
    parvovirus can survive for over a year in soil thru extreme heat and extreme cold weather.
    dispite what some people believe pure bleach is not always effective against parvo.

    all it takes is someone walking thru grass where a parvo posative puppy had been even a year earlier for the parvovirus to cling onto that persons shoes then that person walks into the same room as the newborn puppies, momma dog walks or lies down on the floor where that person ahd been standing then goes back to her puppies every single one of those puppies die becuase of the parvo.

    or heres another scenario a year ago a person had an indoor puppy who either died or survived having parvo a year later this person decideds they want another puppy and oh look at those adorable newborn puppies decideds to have a look at them bam all puppies have parvo.
    a veternarian will always tell you that a puppy having parvo in your home is somthing you should not take lightly and should wait ATLEAST 3 years before bringing another puppy into the home becuase the threat of parvo is still a very high risk. unless yo uwant to use kennel disinfectant on the floors,walls,cielings,windows,counters,everything and rip out the carpeting and get rid of all furniture or soft surfaces.

    ive talked to people whos puppies got parvo after they moved into a new home probably becuase a puppy lived there ebfore who had parvo ive ehard of people who went to a house where there freinds puppy had died of parvo 6 months earlier only to have there own puppy die a few weeks later of parvo. ive heard of quite a few litters of puppies being whiped out within days after ahving someone new comein to meet them.

    so please if you have a litter of puppies DONOT allow anyone enw around them untill after there first round of shots its very difficult to see the beginings of parvo is very young puppies as the first symptom is lethargy, then fever by the time they are feverish thers little to be done.

    so i e-mailed these people warning them of the dangers of parvo sadly they e-mailed me back saying
    "please dont butt in these puppies are healthy their NOT sickly we know what we are doing"
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  2. suzettex5

    suzettex5 Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Good intentions, huh? Youre a nic eperson for trying though. Shame those people even bothered to respond if they are gonna be negative.

    I always flag people selling puppies- its against the rules. Period.
     
  3. chisNchickens

    chisNchickens Chillin' With My Peeps

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    I agree with them, don't butt in. Parvo is a horrible virus, but it is EVERYWHERE.
    Unless you know about parvo first hand, have a basic understanding of virology, etc., it is not a good idea to try to educate others as you simply feed the beast, so to speak. You are putting more speculation and fear-based opinions out there, rather than facts.
     
  4. mandelyn

    mandelyn Chillin' With My Peeps

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    People don't seem to grasp how serious Parvo can be. Must be one of those things you have to go through to understand how serious it is. I went through it with one puppy and he survived. Worse week of my life.

    That virus can wipe out a whole apartment complex of puppies because of all the common area. Just a walk down the street can get it. Visiting friends, Petsmart, the floor at the Vet office.. Carry that puppy if you must leave the house with it, until the series of booster shots are completed.
     
  5. xchairity_casex

    xchairity_casex Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:if they were responsable breeders who had talked to any veternarian they vet would have given them the SAME info i gave them. i got the same speach from the vet when igot my first puppy,when my sister got her puppy and when i got my second puppy. i think these people deserve to know this very basic info about parvo. i really hope those puppies dont come into contact with parvo i was hopeing to spare those people from learning the hard way
     
  6. Glenmar

    Glenmar Chillin' With My Peeps

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    When I was breeding and showing dogs. We did not even let them outside for the first time until after their first vaccines.
    Sometimes on here I am seeing LGD being born in barns. I wonder how many puppies are lost to being chilled, or worse.
     
  7. navasima

    navasima Chillin' With My Peeps

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    When I had my pet boarding facility, I did a lot of rescue . I was also working full time as a vet tech. I still have scars (along with some of my staff) from hands cracked and bleeding from prolonged use of bleach. We all had shoes that were bleached because we had litter boxes w/towels (wet with bleach) in them at both doors to the kennel. We used to joke about matching outfits - Va. red clay on the jeans that never comes out after awhile and white sneakers - no matter what color they started out! I had a seperate kennel building used for shelter puppies and did manage to nurse more than one litter through this nasty virus. My current pet puppy is not even going on leash walks in my new neighborhood until her 3rd set of shots.

    It makes the top of my head come off that resues will bring litters - or for that matter any dog - straight from the shelter to adoption day at a pet store.

    That being said, I must agree that this is not the scenario for you to try and educate. There is quite a lot that can be done once pups are symptomatic. Your statement is innaccurate. Though your intentions are good, please bear in mind that someone selling litters on Craigslist is not very likely to listen to...well...much.

    chisNchickens wrote: You are putting more speculation and fear-based opinions out there, rather than facts.

    I must agree.
     
  8. xchairity_casex

    xchairity_casex Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Quote:what am i getting wrong about parvovirus? becuase whatever i said that is wrong was told to me by my veternarian meaning she too is getting it wrong.
    also from peoples personal exsperiences with dealing with parvo alo my own experiences with parvo. and with puppies so young the first symptoms lethargiy theres really no way of telling weather a 10 day old puppy is lathargic, next symptom fever unless your taking a pups temp every day theres rarely noticing when such a young pup has a tempature runny stool the next classic symptom the mother dog eats most of the pups feces so when are you going to see runny stool from pups so young?
    sure alot can be done for older puppies where your able to recignize symptoms quickly but if your unable to recignize the symptoms quick enough what can you do for them how much chance do young puppies have when the symptoms are so bad that you are finally able to notice them? like the puppy not eating and becoming incredable weak?
    im sorry but i really do not see what information i gave that is wrong? are you saying that parvo is easy to deal with in puppies only a few days old? that parvo is not highly contagious? that its easily eraticated from home and yard? if so then i guess countless veternarians and books have got it all wrong
     
  9. watchdogps

    watchdogps Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Well, first of all, puppies arent very susceptible to parvo until AFTER they are old enough to get their first shots. Maternal antibodies protect them quite well until approximately ten weeks of age, sometimes until around 14 weeks. You can actually titer a 4 week old pup and get protective levels. Most pups GET parvo AFTER their first or second shot. Why? Because vaccination initially LOWERS the immune system until the body has had a chnace to process it. But, most people get the shot and then head to the park. Now the body has a shot, lower immune system and the dog is exposed to parvo at the park, pet store etc, bam it gets sick.

    Also, behavior problems kill more dogs than parvo. Keeping pups from being socialized is setting them up to be little canine head cases that get put down because people cant deal with their fear aggression, fruit loop behavior etc.

    Finally, it is entirely possible to build a resistance to parvo and other diseases through low level natural exposure, no vaccines. Taking pups into the world where the virus is present (everywhere), but not in obscene levels like high areas of dog traffic is a great way to build natural immunity. Thats how I do it, and I do not vaccinate. I have indeed had one case of parvo, but I wasnt thinking and took her to a vets office when she was 14 weeks old (the dropoff time for maternal antibodies and she hadnt built much natural up yet b/c it was winter and hadnt been many places). However, she lived and now has lifetime immunity. NONE of my other dogs got sick (8 of them, various ages, not vaccinated), and they were blatently exposed. *gross alert-stop reading now if you have a weak stomach* They ATE her vomit before I knew she was sick, and they still didnt get sick.
    Keeping a puppy in a sterile, virus free environment isnt doing it any favors, as it's body wont know what to do when it goes out into the big cootie-filled world.
     
  10. xchairity_casex

    xchairity_casex Chillin' With My Peeps

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    i dont know of any veternarian who would reccomend putting a puppy at risk for parvo for the chance it wont catch it and it will become immune.
    putting your puppy into situations like that you have a 50/50 chance that it wont catch somthing and 50/50 chance that it will why chance it? "well i can jsut breed my dog again in 6 months and have more babies"

    the most commen behavioral problems are due to people taking puppies away from its mother and siblings too soon youll end up having mroe issues with a puppy who is given to people too early then youll have with puppies not being held by strangers early. not to mention allowing strange peeople around a mother dog who is nurseing young puppies puts alot of stress on her even if she is well socielized dog natural hormones present in her body are causeing her to be protective having countless strangers in holding and messing with the puppies could easily cause the mother dog to
    become aggressive with the new people
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    become so stressed out that she neglects or kills her entire litter.
     

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