Zero turn/ not turning eggs?

Why don't you like using broodies? I find the chicks integrate into the flock better if they are broody raised. Of course, during the hottest part of the year, I give them incubator chicks because I've had bad experiences with exploding eggs.
I just don't. Not only is my coop really not equipped for one and chicks, I just don't trust them to do the job when I need chicks. With sanitizing my eggs, I never have any explode. I've even forgotten the bag of quitters/clears I removed on lockdown on the basement counter for two weeks, and none even smelled.

I don't think there's anything *wrong* with using broodies, it's just not for me. At least not at this stage.
 
I just don't. Not only is my coop really not equipped for one and chicks, I just don't trust them to do the job when I need chicks. With sanitizing my eggs, I never have any explode. I've even forgotten the bag of quitters/clears I removed on lockdown on the basement counter for two weeks, and none even smelled.

I don't think there's anything *wrong* with using broodies, it's just not for me. At least not at this stage.
I like hatching in the incubator and giving the chicks to broodies, it gives me more control over the process. They do a much better job caring for the chicks than I ever could.
 
I think it's pretty settled, yeah. I mean, I'm one that refuses to use a broody and I hate the flat turner that rolls the eggs to simulate one, but the fact remains that hens wouldn't roll eggs themselves for no reason.
Original it was thought differential heating necessitated rotating the egg and the may still be the case with still air incubators. Force air incubator reduce the problem but uneven heating may still play a role in many incubator designs. I have spent a considerable amount of time evaluating incubator designs for that very reason.
 
True, true my 2cents on this, the last "science" that happened here were my DH's last batch. He didn't turn, he didn't do much of anything. Hatch day seemed to be going fine but there was a huge amount of intestinal deformities. They looked fine but with the first peep everything fell out the rear.
Hatch rate was near 80% survival rate was closer to 30%. I turn religiously now because that was AWFUL!
That is awful, I have experience the usual mix of early and late quitters, but nothing so graphic as you.
 
Why don't you like using broodies? I find the chicks integrate into the flock better if they are broody raised. Of course, during the hottest part of the year, I give them incubator chicks because I've had bad experiences with exploding eggs.
Honestly chickens do it best, but incubators offer more flexibility with hatch date and such. Also I really enjoy incubating.
 
This post has some interesting links, if you want to read some of those old studies.
One of them says that a broody hen turns an egg 96 times PER DAY! Wow!


If you turn the eggs until day 16, then you can stop turning.

http://dev.biologists.org/content/develop/5/3/293.full.pdf
Identifies that the most critical period of chick egg turning is from 4th to 7th day.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.858.1743&rep=rep1&type=pdf
Finds that turning chick eggs beyond the 8th day doesn't improve hatchability.

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/2cff/e9d9281e036fd01344cfdcfff6e0014d8729.pdf
Even goes so far to saying that turning chick eggs beyond 12 days actually hampers hatchability rather then improve it.


Good luck.
 
Honestly chickens do it best, but incubators offer more flexibility with hatch date and such. Also I really enjoy incubating.
Then giving a broody incubator chicks is the best of both worlds! I had one hen that was sitting on eggs last year. Right at hatch, one bad egg exploded and killed 3 of the 9 chicks that were hatching. The remaining 6 hatched, but 2 more of them eventually died. I think from contamination from the bad egg. I gave 5 incubator chicks that hatched the week before to the broody after I cleaned everything up and while her remaining eggs were still hatching. The incubator babies didn't accept her at first, but the little chicks showed the older ones how to use her for warmth and they accepted the hen. It made my life a LOT easier.
 
This post has some interesting links, if you want to read some of those old studies.
One of them says that a broody hen turns an egg 96 times PER DAY! Wow!
That is interesting. Some of the newer studies use fake eggs containing data logger that record the angle, degree of rotation and frequency eggs are turned. Chickens know best for natural incubation, but artificial incubation may be another story.
 
Turning helps the development of the chorio-allantoic membrane, which is how the developing embryo gets oxygen and disposes of carbon dioxide. Not turning can also lead to the embryo sticking to the shell, which can cause deformities.

Some studies say there's really no need to turn after day 14, I think it is. The chorio-allantoic membrane is usually fully developed by that point, so I can see how that would be the case.
 

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