1. Sally Sunshine
    ps.... dont hesitate to pop on the thread and ask for help....
    CLICK HERE FOR THREAD! Educational Incubation & Hatching, w/ Sally Sunshine,
    learn everything from hatching to processing and so much more through questions and chatting!


    ALSO there is a 9 1 1 - HELP!
    stuff went wrong
    links from the thread HERE..

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/incubating-w-friends-helpful-notes-links-informational-post-links



    Step by Step Guide to
    ASSISTED Hatching

    by, Sally Sunshine Poultry
    BYC Member Interview - Sally Sunshine

    GRAPHIC PICTURES FIRST
    Why?
    Because MOST New Hatcher's ASSIST too SOON & too FAST!

    Below is the result of a BEAUTIFUL Chick that will die.
    This chick clearly was NOT ready to hatch as her yolk sac has not yet been drawn inside the
    abdominal cavity, nor have blood vessels receded.
    I can not express how necessary it is to understand the hatching process!




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    To SAVE A CHICK and better your Hatch rates please study incubation!

    Incubation Notes, Images, Videos & Links Including SHIPPED EGGS INCUBATION Techniques.

    CLICK: HATCHING 101



    Anxiety at this stage is tremendous for the first timer and they can quickly misinterpret the well being of their chicks and prematurely intervene with disastrous consequences.




    Understanding The Hatching Process

    Between the 15th and 16th days, the chick orients itself so that its head is near the air cell at the large end of the egg. Not long before the chick is ready to attempt to make its way out of the shell its neck acquires a double bend so that its beak is under its right wing and pointed toward the air cell. The chicks PIP first then REST then Zipping begins up to 24 +/- after initial pip depending on breed!
    Quote: About three days before hatching, the embryo's head burrows beneath the right shoulder so the beak is positioned under the wing & against the two membranes separating the embryo from the air space at the large end of the shell. Sometime that same day, the beak pierces through the membranes into the air space & pulmonary respiration begins. About a day later, with a dwindling oxygen supply, the embryo begins to kick, to twist and to thrust its head and beak backward, until the egg tooth pips the first hole. The chick can now draw breath. As fresh air enters the shell and circulates, the membranes inside begin to dry, and the blood vessels within those membranes begin to shrink. The embryo continues to pip, kick and twist. Small cracks advance counter-clockwise by millimeters around the big end of the shell. A special "hatching muscle" on the back of the chick's neck (see photo to the right) swells to several times its normal size with a great influx of fluid from the embryo's lymphatic system. This swelling accentuates sensory signals sent through the neck, stimulating the embryo to further activity. Eventually, the cap of the egg is cracked enough. The embryo pushes it off, unfolds from the tuck, and escapes from the shell

    21 DAYS is just a baseline for hatching eggs.
    Many chicks can take 23 - 25 days!
    Some pip internally and fully hatch in hours while others will be 24 hours or more.

    Egg movement! Eggs can “Rock n Roll” days before they are due to hatch!


    Embryo Development...
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PedajVADLGw

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ah-gT0hTto

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    In regards to opening and closing the bator to remove already hatch chicks; It is important to remember that chicks can go 3 days without food/water. It is better to wait for the remaining chicks to hatch to insure reducing the impact to unhatched pipping eggs.

    But my new chick is running around in the bator knocking eggs around!
    LET THEM GO! DO NOT OPEN THE INCUBATOR! They are fine!



    When to assist?
    Assisting a chick should be your LAST RESORT
    A chick’s failure
    to progress normally at hatching stage can be caused by genetic problems resulting in malpositioning, deformities or weakness, in which case assistance may promote the survival of birds with deleterious genes. However, hatching difficulties may also result from imperfect incubation procedures with a chick which is genetically viable, or an abnormally thick shell. A lot of the deaths due to the above situations occur immediately before hatching during the transition between embryos to breathing chick. The chick can have difficulty positioning for pipping, absorbing the yolk sac, or changing to breathing air. A chick’s chorioallantoic circulation remains functional until shortly before hatching and remains even when yolk absorption is complete and the embryo/chicks are vocalizing? Therefore the correct time to assist an egg is hard to judge. It is essential that the chick is given as much time as possible to fully absorb the yolk, for the vascular system to shut down, and for the chick to complete the normal physiological processes of hatching.
    Do not rush the hatch!

    DO NOT RUSH THE HATCH!

    DO NOT RUSH THE HATCH!

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    If a chick HAS pipped a hole in the shell
    DO NOT INTERVENE for AT LEAST 12 hrs!

    Why?

    It’s at this point that it’s difficult to judge when intervention is both necessary and safe.
    A chick rests during this QUIET phase as it is preparing for hatching. This is a VERY quiet stage that is easily misinterpreted. Inside the egg the chick is resting and learning to breath. They will sleep while occasionally opening and closing their mouth. The chick will move it's head in a jerky pipping motion as well as chirp lightly. The lungs are maturing and with this change in chest pressure it causes contractions which helps the yolk sac to be drawn inside the abdomen. Blood vessels at this stage also start to recede. If assisted prematurely it can cause hemorrhaging from the blood vessels and the yolk sac will be unable to absorb.

    WHEN should I help?

    You can tell the chick is having trouble if it gets stuck for several hours in the MIDDLE of the unzipping stage, either pointlessly banging its beak against the hole without making further openings in the shell or mostly unzipped but unable to kick free.

    A chick is troubled if it's pipped but hasn't started unzipping AFTER 18-24 hours, or if the bit of exposed membrane around the pipping hole is starting to turn tan and dry.

    If the pipping marks look erratic or irregular, the chick may also be in trouble.
    Anything past 40 hours there is a very real possibility that the chick will never get out of the egg without assistance.

    A chick that has pipped the wrong end of the egg is also in trouble, and sometimes may be assisted as well.

    AGAIN I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH….
    It takes HOURS and HOURS for the complete absorption of the yolk sack!




    Below..... a Good Looking Membrane!

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    (pipped wrong end) FOR MALPOSITIONS

    SEE MALPOSITION SECTION Below


    TIMELINE of a silky HATCHING!
    MONDAY 5 PM noticed external pip
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    TUESDAY DAY 20 9AM STILL RESTING,

    hole slightly larger but chick is NOT zipping!
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    2 PM TUES. CHICK IS ALREADY OUT!

    missed the last quick zipping!
    Silky on the left, two CCL hatched at the same time!
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    ITS IMORTANT TO NOTE:

    THIS CHICK TOOK WELL OVER 24 hours to hatch! and absolutely normal!



    EXAMPLE of why I tell everyone if they have a malposition (pipped wrong end)

    its chirping and getting air LET THEM ALONE just note the time and keep an eye on them!
    These are usually the first pips you can see, because they are both the internal and external pips.
    I got lucky to catch a video of one today....
    EXCUSE the WHITE OUTS thats the bator lights kicking on and off sorry!




    Step by Step Guide
    To assist an INTERNALLY AND/OR EXTERNALLY
    Pipped Chick in distress



    BREATHE!
    That’s right, take a deep breath, calm your nerves and RELAX!
    There is no rush to get a chick out of the shell!


    "The developing embryo has lived in this shell for well over 3 weeks.

    It has survived off of the contents of the egg for that entire time. The only thing it has absorbed from the outside is Oxygen. As long as the chick is getting Oxygen, there is nothing urgent. Too many people feel the need to rush in and pull a chick out of a place that has served it well for 3-4 weeks. There should be no rush to get a chick out of the shell if it can breathe. As long as it has access to air through the pip, it can sit there all day, even after the blood vessels recede. It's not going to starve. It has plenty of yolk. It's not going to dehydrate, unless you get impatient and begin removing shell before it's time to do so causing bleeding or too much exposure to outside air." http://www.avianresources.com/Nursery_Mgt.htm



    If the majority of your chicks have hatched or
    its past day 21 (for Chicken eggs), it's time to....
    CANDLE & Tap!

    Candle and look for an internal pip. Pencil mark the air cell.

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    Below is what an internal pip it looks like.
    The beak is thrust through the inner membrane into the air cell.


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    Tap with your fingernail GENTLY on the air cell and hold to your ear, Can you hear a peep?





    **IF** YOU DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNAL PIP AND YOU CAN’T HEAR CHIRPING and but you do SEE MOVEMENT, place that egg BACK in the incubator and WAIT, this EGG DOES NOT need assisting at this point!

    **IF** however YOU DO NOT HAVE AN INTERNAL PIP AND YOU CAN’T HEAR CHIRPING and YOU DO NOT see MOVEMENT please proceed to The Float Test ~ Checking Egg Viability. Give Eggs A Full 24 Hrs Overdue Before Float Testing ONLY AFTER CANDLING and NO Internal pips and NO internal MOVEMENT or CHIRPING! This procedure takes very little equipment Or time to do and Is Easy To Perform. If your egg is still viable, place back in the bator and wait! https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/383525/float-testing-checking-egg-viability-for-late-or-overdue-hatching


    Now its time to assist if…
    Your Beyond THE WAITING PERIOD and you’ve followed ALL steps above!
    Assist if YOU HAVE AN INTERNAL PIP AND you hear CHIRPING, OR YOU HEAR CHIRPING and No PIP......
    AND you clearly understand the hatching process,
    AND you are CERTAIN its time to intervene,
    AND you have READ THROUGH this ENTIRE ARTICLE,
    AND you understand THE STEPS to ASSIST,
    AND you HAVE PATIENCE,
    If NOT, DO NOT TOUCH THAT EGG!


    Creating an Artificial Pip or "View Hole"!
    Disinfect & WASH your hands!

    Begin this step by making small hole at the pip area
    (or closest to where you hear him chirp)
    ONLY IN THE AIR CELL AREA!!!

    TYPICALLY his beak is towards the LOWER DIP IN THE AIR CELL as shown below

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    so you can see that the little beak is free of the inner membrane. Use a flat tipped tweezers or a knife. Make "Only" a small hole ENOUGH DO NOT POKE just chip and then use tweezers to pull that white outer membrane away a tad until u can see his beak. Remember, THERE is an OUTER white membrane and an inner membrane. It is very important at this stage not to damage the inner membrane that holds all the chick's blood cells.


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    If you need to create a pip its best to keep scoring a tiny X until you can chip the hole. You can also use a tiny sharp drill bit, NOT in the drill, I just use it to score the X, but DO NOT harm the chick! DO NOT CRUSH THE EGG with force! It is very hard to start a pip if you dont have one, so be prepared with multiple tools if one isnt working for you....


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    If you open that pip and can see her beak like below, then leave the egg like this.... set her on a dampened paper towel, and put her back in the incubator and raise the humidity. Then WAIT.... WAIT WAIT!


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    If you have made a pip AND CANNOT SEE THE BEAK, open a larger hole in the shell little by little, in the AIR CELL Area ONLY, DO NOT GO BELOW THAT LINE. As you can see in the photo below this little bugger was a hard one to find! Again, only clear the beak then dampen the membrane with a finger dipped in sterile/clean water (DO NOT GET NEAR HIS NOSTRILS and DO NOT PULL any MEMBRANE with blood in it!)

    Set the egg on a damp paper towel and return to the incubator.

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    NEVER UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD YOU REMOVE THIS INNER MEMBRANE AT THIS POINT!
    AS long as you LEAVE THAT MEMBRANE intact THEY WONT KICK OUT PREMATURELY...
    THIS I CANNOT STRESS ENOUGH!!!




    TIME TO LEAVE HER ALONE and keep that humidity up!! 75-80s even!!

    What did you read that is most important right now???

    LEAVE HER ALONE! Do not pick at her shell do not remove any more membrane at this point! Wait, every 2 hours dampen her membrane and place her back in the bator! There is A LOT of stuff for them to absorb!!
    Not just that blood, that yolk is HUGE! look!

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    Now that you created a pip she still CAN finish up the job!


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    What if she DOESN’T Finish and ZIP ?

    The first thing to remember when helping is to watch for blood. If bleeding, STOP right then and there. Put the egg back and wait a few hours before trying to help again. Once you start helping a chick at this point, it won't be able to finish by itself.

    If after 6-8 hours and there is still NO PROGRESS in her pipping you will need to remove the “CAP” Air cell end of the egg. ONLY ABOVE the Pencil Line! I start by taking tiny pieces of shell off just like a pipping line and follow just above the pencil line. IF YOU DRAW BLOOD you went a bit too low, so move a bit higher…
    GO SLOW! And stay ABOVE THAT INNER AIR CELL!


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    In the picture below you will see an inner pip with the beak in it… Dampen first for better viewing of membranes. Clear a tiny bit of membrane from the nostrils, but DO NOT to hit any veins. If you dampen that white membrane you can see it’s fairly clear when wet but still filled with full vessels. If you do hit a little blood in a vein gently press a dry paper towel on the spot to stop the bleed. Below are pics of THE SAME chick dry membrane and the other dampened.
    This chick CLEARLY is NOT READY to COME OUT OF THAT SHELL or have its membrane removed!
    Put BACK in the bator on damp towel!

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    I will also add that I have recently switched from using sterile water in an assist to using Q-tips or "Ear Buds", and adding antibacterial CLEAR OINTMENT called bacitracin (NOT NEOSPORIN) to inner membranes, because you do NOT have to keep wetting them and you can see in the pic below that the ointment makes that membrane clear, and it is ANTIBIOTIC it wont have bacteria in it that water can! refer to https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/704328/diary-notes-air-cell-detatched-shipped-eggs/7850 for understanding ointments and creams. DO NOT USE OINTMENT WITH PAIN KILLER! USE BACITRACIN


    NEVER remove this membrane until THOSE VEINS RECEDE and blood is absorbed!




    Every 2 hours you will check and if necessary dampen that membrane or add more ointment if your using it. Continue looking for the recession of veining. This will probably take at least 8-12 hours if not more!

    If the blood is not absorbed THE YOLK SURE ISNT!
    WETTING THE MEMBRANE MAKES IT TRANSPARENT SO YOU CAN VIEW THOSE VEINS!


    Nope still needs a little time!

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    How do I tell if the chick is READY?

    Below is how the membrane looked in a healthy hatch! Once the blood has been drawn into the body the veins will look thin, webby and the membrane will look transparent.
    Very thin tiny veins like hair strands! Enlarge photo.

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    WHEN THE chick is READY they will again chirp LOUD!
    BUT ONLY GO BY THAT MEMBRANE and its veining!!



    She is READY!
    WHEN she has absorbed all that blood check the position of the beak and ease the membrane away by stretching rather than tearing if possible. If no bleeding occurs continue to gradually ease the membrane from the beak towards the sides of the shell and I sorta of stick them OVER the shell and they stick to it, as if putting a trash bag in a trash can. Continue until the chick is exposed by dampening the membrane, I use a tweezers with a flat tip (not pointed). If the membrane is sticking to the chick just keep dampening and use a clean damp paper towel and wipe gently with the feathers and it will come off.

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    Now that you have the membrane pulled off the top of the chick wet along the outer shell membrane 1 more time & PUT THE CHICK BACK IN THE BATOR!

    DO NOT ATTEMPT TO PULL OR TILT the chick out of its shell!!

    LET the chick do that part when it’s ready!!!







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    Oh NO!

    It PIPPED the WRONG END!

    MALPOSITIONS
    It is common to lose about 1-2% of the chicks due to deformities and malpositions. Deformities occur during embryo development, while malpositions occur the last week of incubation. Malpositioned embryos are unable to pip the eggshell and escape due to improper positioning within the egg. The chicks can have difficulty positioning for pipping, absorbing the yolk sac, or changing from embryo to chick breathing air. The majority of malpositioned embryos that have died in the shell probably resulted from exhaustion and/or lack of oxygen. One GOOD thing to remember is that SOME malpositions are Lethal and some are not! Occasionally, malpositioned chicks will hatch unassisted but the hatch does need to be monitored closely to ensure that the chick is not becoming stressed, or stuck. Often as a result of the position in the shell they have been unable to absorb all of the yolk. Please refer to Navel SECTION BELOW.
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    Common reasons of Malpositions are:

    Eggs are set with small end up.
    Advancing breeder hen age and shell quality problems.
    Egg turning frequency and angle are not adequate.
    Inadequate % humidity loss of eggs in the setter.
    Inadequate air cell development, improper temperature and humidity regulation, and insufficient ventilation in the incubator or hatcher.
    Imbalanced feeds, elevated levels of mycotoxins, and vitamin and mineral deficiencies.
    Lower than recommended temperatures in the last stage of incubation.

    Normal hatching position and the six recognised malpositions Images:

    http://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/1608/investigating-hatchery-practice-examining-the-hatch-debris


    ASSISTING MALPOSITIONED CHICKS
    Be extremely careful not to puncture the membranes directly under the shell as this is likely to cause a bleed. The external pip of a malpositioned chick is actually both an internal and external pip, these are also the hardest to deal with because they are made directly into a fully active membrane and not into the safety of the air cell.

    PLEASE READ THIS ARTICLE IN ITS ENTIRETY
    BEFORE YOU ATTEMPT THIS ASSIST!

    The decision to intervene and how fast to progress with assistance is not simple and there are NO RULES except… SLOW SLOW SLOW HOURS HOURS HOURS and MORE HOURS!

    A chicks chances are slim with these kinds of malpositions so recognize that your trying to give it a chance to live! I have lost a few malpositions and saved a few! EXPERIENCE WITH ASSISTING is VERY HELPFUL! Assistance should take place in stages. Stopping after each stage of assistance gives the chick a chance to complete the hatching by itself.


    Assisting Chicks that have ALREADY pipped the wrong end

    or have pipped in an air pocket within the egg (seen while candling, or hearing their chirps). If the chick has made a successful external pip at the wrong end or somewhere in between, you can monitor them and see if they can hatch out themselves, if no progress in say 10-12 hrs begin a slow assist, keep reading. If the pip is not successful you will need to create one, chip a tiny bit of shell away from the center of the crack. Make sure there is a slice through the outer membrane so air can get in. TINY means less than 1/4”. If the pip has fluid running out of it create a viewing hole to check if its still viable.

    ASSISTING~ If the chick does not progress, membrane looks brown or seems exhausted after (give or take 8 hrs), begin assist by slowly chipping outer shell as to create a viewing hole to see whats going on in there. CAUTION ~ SLOW as the view hole in the case of a malpositioned chick is actually the external and internal pip in ALL cases. They are difficult! More so than the standard view hole, as they are made into a fully active membrane area and NOT into the safety of the air cell. The membranes directly under the shell should not be punctured accidentally as this is likely to cause a major bleed.



    Assisting CHICkS that you SUSPECT Malposition

    THIS is by FAR THE WORST SENARIO and SO HARD to Distinguish between Not ready to hatch and malpositioned! If you suspect you have a malpositioned chick (the egg is overdue for hatching) and HAS GONE PAST day 21 and the hatch of everyone else…. you can open air sac, (DO NOT OPEN BELOW AIR CELL LINE!) follow the instructions above on opening the air cell CREATING an EXTERNAL PIP. BUT FIRST Study the common malpositions as pictured in this article so you are familiar with its anatomy!….
    Normal hatching position and the six recognised malpositions:
    http://www.thepoultrysite.com/articles/1608/investigating-hatchery-practice-examining-the-hatch-debris


    After carefully removing air cell end, wet a finger and feel and look for the beak through the membrane. IF there is A LOT of fluid under the membrane you may have a wet/mushy chick or one that simply isn’t ready yet, place them back in the incubator and wait! DO NOT OPEN THE INNER MEMBRANE! If a lot of fluid is NOT present, look for its big round eye, or beak, or even wing to help you find its head. JUST LOOK AND FEEL THROUGH THE MEMBRANE AT THIS POINT DO NOT OPEN IT!


    take your tweezers and create a small hole in the inner membrane AVOIDING ANY BLOOD VESSELS! Depending on position you may need a larger hole, just AVOID vessels as much as possible. You may need to gently lift/pull the head from under the wing and by gently extending it may be sufficient to allow the chick to complete hatching. (If you do hit a vessel quickly using a dry clean paper towel or gauze hold for a few seconds and bleeding will stop.) After this stage the chick will look as though he is gasping, place in incubator & let it rest at this point. Let the chick rest until the blood vessels recede, follow instructions for assisted hatch above from this point on. WAIT WAIT WAIT! Oh and WAIT SOME MORE! AGAIN. this is the HARDEST position to get a chick to live, but at least your giving it a chance at life! If you find its beak/eye/wing


    can make a guess as to where you think it is after refering to that link and its pictures on malpositions, and carefully chip ONLY OUTER EGG Shell away at the guess area. (Example: If you see the butt or yolk sack when you took the air cell end off, you have the bottom of the chick, you will refer to the link with malposition pictures and take a guess at how the chick is situated at the other end or SIDE of the egg) The membrane will often be brown where the beak is trying to break through. If your lucky and find its beak, create an air hole there so the chick can breathe and if you didn’t find it DO NOT open the membrane, refer back to the position ANATOMY pics and try another spot and keep trying! As LONG as your only taking the Shell off and not causing blood loss and NOT disrupting and inner membrane your ok! ITS HARD to figure out a position and I am finding alot of times their head is tucked in the middle of the egg between butt and feet! After you found its beak establish clear beak for breathing, let the chick rest until the blood vessels recede, follow instructions for assisted hatch above from this point on. WAIT WAIT WAIT! Oh and WAIT SOME MORE!IF YOU DON’T FIND its beak/eye/wing from the air cell end or see a yellow/orange sack DO NOT break the membrane! I HATE HAVING TO DO THIS STEP AND depending on egg cost I WONT EVEN TRY AN ASSIST! It is Hard understand and find how a chick is positioned! IF YOU CANT FIND ITS BEAK, you





    SHIPPED EGGS & Malpositions!

    SADDLE SHAPED AIR CELLS are very COMMON with shipped eggs!

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    Saddle shaped is when one or both sides have a large "dip" in the air cell. For the best way to incubate shipped eggs please refer to the Shipped Egg Section in https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/hatching-eggs-101


    A lot of times with saddle shaped cells the chick doesn’t position correct for hatching and their feet can easily get stuck behind their head and “smoosh” the chick so they can’t move, it can also force the yolk sack and everything more north in the shell.... First lets Look at this position.....


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    Note the top of the egg (air cell end) and how far down one side of the egg this air cell goes. Some times the chicks CAN do the internal pip but cannot hit that outer membrane/shell. This is why you should pencil mark the air cells and keep a close watch on them at hatch, especially if they seem "later" that the rest by about 6-12 hrs. I will begin an assist by candle and tapping to make sure I have that internal pip, HOWEVER in this case you cant see the internal pip too well because of the angle, so I always tap to see if I hear them. IF you DO hear a chirp or see an internal pip then follow the Assist steps first in this article. If not I check again in another 6 hours and repeat...







    She HATCHED! But what's with her butt?

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    If there is slight bleeding at the navel use corn starch or a dab of cold water to stop the bleeding. You can also swab the umbilicus area with a 1% solution of Betadine and place the chick back in the bator to dry. If you do see this and the chick is already out of the shell dangling with this, use a clean sterile scissors to cut through them, DO NOT PULL as you can harm the chick’s navel!
    But only the cords!

    DO NOT CUT IF THERE IS UNABSORBED YOLK SACK!!
    Please see below for info on unabsorbed yolk.



    Please see HOW TO TREAT & PREVENT yolk sack infections!!

    click on in the link below
    Mushy Chick Disease aka yolk sack infection & omphalitis

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/mushy-chick-disease-yolk-sack-infection-omphalitis

    Below is a photo of a "Duck in a Cup" waiting for its yolk sack to finish up!

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    The chick BELOW had a large navel at hatch.

    With some iodine / betadine she had quickly absorbed the rest of that navel area and is now a fine young pullet!
    You want to DRY the navel not keep it wet if the chick is already out of its shell!

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    3 Essential Chick Care Tips (pasting up and Cord info)

    http://ezinearticles.com/?Do-You-Know-These-3-Essential-Chick-Care-Tips?&id=4449831




    YES this CHICK MADE IT through with proper Care!

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/744592/day-21-ohmy
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    And this one MADE IT! Say Hello to "Yolk"

    Yolk, a WONDERFUL Story of a Chick that stopped pipping midway and ended up having a yolk sack rupture and a bunch of other issues! It is well worth a read and "Rock" has all the footage to boot!
    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/704328/diary-notes-air-cell-detatched-shipped-eggs/3100


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    My Links for additional information

    Eggtopsy: What happened to my egg?
    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/363717/eggtopsy-what-happened-to-my-egg-graphic-pictures

    "Shrink wrap" vs. "Sticky chick"?

    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/491421/shrink-wrap-vs-sticky-chick#post_6242987

    Hatchability Problem analysis.pdf1,708k .pdf file

    Trouble Shooting Failures with Egg Incubation

    http://msucares.com/poultry/reproductions/trouble.html

    http://www.poultry.msstate.edu/extension/pdf/troubleshooting_incubation.pdf
    http://anrcatalog.ucdavis.edu/pdf/8127.pdf

    This is also a great pdf with pics: paste link in browser search:

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=early emrbyo death incubation&source=web&cd=4&cad=rja&ved=0CDsQFjAD&url=http://www.thepoultrysite.com/downloads/download/171/&ei=UllaUMXFHsmrygGnjoHICw&usg=AFQjCNGgYxCBYwBex31MS5w2McdnpH1zbw

    ALSO this PDF at the last pages have a chart that shows what could have happened.... http://gallus.tamu.edu/library/extpublications/b6092.pdf




    New Chick Care Links and Info

    DIP THE BEAK OF THE CHICK IN THE WATER BEFORE YOU TURN IT LOOSE in the brooder. A taste of water right away helps them to find more water soon. If your chicks are at all stressed, add about 3 tablespoons of brown or table sugar to each quart of water for extra energy. Most baby bird loss is caused because the bird doesn't start to eat or drink. Never let your bird run out of water. http://odysseyranch.com/Chick Care Tips.html

    AND ITS CHEAP at TSC its Balanced electrolytes supplement for newly hatched and adult chickens, ducks, turkeys, and other domestic poultry. Fortified with vitamins A, D3, E, C, K, B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, B9 and B12. Convenient, single-use packets each mix into one gallon of drinking water. Use during hot weather or other stress to support optimal hydration and bird health. JUST IN CASE you have a weak bird! OR You can add sugar to the water in the first couple of days.Dont forget to have Sav-A-Chick™ Electrolyte and Vitamin Supplement on hand!


    Homemade Electrolyte Recipe for weak/ill chicks
    2 C. Water
    2 TBL. Brown Sugar, honey or molasses
    1/2 tsp Salt
    1/2 tsp. Baking Soda
    Mix until all dry ingredients dissolve & Keep refrigerated
    You could also use electrolyte drinks Gatorade or Pedialyte, or
    3 drops of POLYVISOL (liquid childrens A-B-D vitamins)
    Slowly drip along inner edge of lower beak.



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    http://www.mypetchicken.com/backyard-chickens/chicken-care/chapter-4-caring-for-baby-chicks.aspx





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    CHICKEN ORTHOPEDICS ~

    Splayed Leg & Curly Toes
    On occasions “stuck” chicks are affected with splayed or rotated legs. This may be a result of an unusual position in the egg, a fall resulting in injury to the leg, or slipping on a smooth surface in the hatcher & brooder. Splayed legs are preventable by the use of non-slip brooder matting and can be corrected with hobbles, if identified early enough.
    https://sites.google.com/a/larsencreek.com/chicken-orthopedics/leg-braces
    https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/72885/boot-for-curled-toes-on-3-month-old-chicken-update-w-pics
    http://www.the-chicken-chick.com/2012/02/spraddle-leg-in-baby-chicks-what-is-it.html


    Culling ~

    Small Animal Euthanasia at Home http://www.alysion.org/euthanasia/index.php
    How to cull chicks http://www.waldeneffect.org/how_to_cull_chicks/
    How to Dispatch a Chicken.http://poultrykeeper.com/general-chickens/how-to-kill-a-chicken


    you must do this or wait till they crow or lay!! refer to :SEXING CHICKS ~ With in TWO DAYS http://www.ca.uky.edu/smallflocks/sex_linked_crosses.html & http://www.ca.uky.edu/smallflocks/Feather_sexing_practice.html




    FINISHED ~

    SANITIZE EQUIPMENT & PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK or throw the bator out the window!

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    I received another message on our Facebook Poultry page

    from a wonderful woman named Maxine! So awesome hearing from everyone, its nice that they take the time to send a thank you, makes me smile every time, and she even made the most amazing video of her experience!
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    Quote: Hi Sally... I just wanted to write to thank you for your Step By Step Guide to Assisted Hatching (https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/step-by-step-guide-to-assisted-hatching). One of my bantams had been sitting on 4 x eggs. 3 hatched on their own according and, as such, mum left the nest. At 10am on Saturday morning I found the discarded egg stone cold but when I held it to my ear I could hear pipping. I have no incubator! Thanks to your wonderful instructions and with the aid of my desk spot lamp, hot water bottle, wet flannels and wet tissue paper... oh and not forgetting my cleavage when I had to pop out during the day... 17 hours after I found the cold egg the chick hatched!!! Prior to hatching I had to make a small hole to find the beak and then as you kept reiterating I left the chick and egg alone and waited and waited and waited. Now the chick is with it's siblings and mum took to it straight away... and I got a great video of the chick hatching. Thank you very much. Regards, Maxine

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    Disclaimer: Please note this information is offered as friendly advice only and, whilst I have made every effort to ensure it is accurate, I can not be held responsible if it proves not to be useful in your case!




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  1. Clucklandia
    Hello! I was opening up an egg that I was positive, was dead. I still only piped in the air sac area and then saw movement!! I was in shock and put her back in the incubator! I saw a pip-ish hole in the sac. Was that her internal pip? I didn't see her beak! Later on the next day, she changed (but still moved). It's now day 21 and I think I saw movement, but no external pip, and I never heard her chirp! What should I do? Please visit my thread for pictures: https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/help-assist-hatching.1202315/page-6#post-19056092
  2. CuteChicks4Life
    Hi so as I write this I have a chick who pipped it's little beak out on the pointy end of the shell. Apparently when the others hatched they rolled it over without my noticing, so it was also nose side down. It's day 23 i was going to clear out the eggs that didn't hatch and heard the peeping. The membrane is dry and not turning clear with water. The veins are still very much there so i can't pull back any more membrane without hurting the chick. So Will this chick be able to absorb the yolk in this position? Also is the membrane going suffocate the chick it doesn't seem to be sticking but it is quite dry. This chick belongs to my favourite little chicken who got eaten by a predator and I would love to see it live.
  3. lilpaws
    I have a chick that was malpositioned with its legs above its head. I assisted her but found that her yolk sac was not completely absorbed. I put her in a cup with the bottom part of the egg still on her, but she is really trying to get out. Do I keep her in the incubator or put her in the brooder? How long do I leave her in the cup? Do I need to give electrolytes while this is happened? PLEASE HELP
  4. lilpaws
    This is a great article and I thank you. Any advice on why some chicks will hatch and die within an hour or so while drying.
  5. 6694deb
    Great article! Just what I was looking for. I've been having problems with my eggs being viable until the end then only getting 1/2 live chicks. The repeated words "wait, wait, wait" definitely hit home with me so I will be more patient for them to do it themselves. Also, I was taking my chicks out as soon as they were dry so they wouldn't kick the other eggs around. I have eggs due to hatch next week. I will try leaving the chicks in the incubator until the majority have hatch and cross my fingers that it's the right thing to do.
  6. chickenrk
    Meant to say that the eggs are a little over (runners) x2 days - thank you
  7. chickenrk
    Hi @SallySunshine i have a duckling (not hatched) who sank and remained still when i did the floatation test. No wobbles at all. I gently chipped a tiny bit in the shell at the top where the air sac is - not piercing the membrane. i saw that the baby was breathing,(movement of something rising and falling with what looked like the beak protruding - i'm not sure if the beak was through the air sac, it looked like it was) so immediately I did what it says and put in bak in the incy. It obviously moved a little in the night as it is in a different position today, but i can no longer see any movement at all. the membrane is still fine - not dried out. any suggestions? I have been worried sick all night and not slept well at all. thank you very much
  8. Mikokoke
    Help! Day 21 and they were positioned upside down during the entire 21 days. One pipped the wrong end and little beak was exposed. It's been like that for 11.5 hours. I chipped the shell away and left the intact white membrane. I now all my eggs are malpositioned. I feel terrible. Awful! Because they were in my daughters KG class. Please advise how to proceed.
  9. TheFoxyChicken
    Thank you for this post. Had my first mal-position today and its hard to hold back helping.
  10. Chloe Cecale
    I think these are wonderful instructions very helpful, im doing a report at school and i was wondering if i could quote you?
  11. Jediwalker
    I am having trouble with my turkeys hatching. They pip all the way around the egg, but then the membrane gets sticky and solid, and the poult dies. I ran into this problem last year, and I am confused on how I can fix it. My first few that hatched were fine, and then they only pip around the shell and die. Any help would be great!
  12. Pekin Bantam
    Thanks! This is the best guide ever. I had Malpositioned chick, thanks to you and your guide it has now hatched and living well with its sibling's and Mum.
  13. Olandskchick
    Thanks so much for this article. My family was really worried about a chick that was struggling to hatch. We waited and waited and waited some more. Thanks to your article we knew when to intervene and did so successfully. We didn't have to assist as much as we thought so now the chick is acting very healthy and most importantly is alive.
  14. zazouse
    Excellent post
  15. Ks1063
    I was able to save a mal-positioned chick thanks to this article, AND another chick that had given up 29 hours after pipping the egg!
  16. Ocala RIR
    Assisted hatching is very stressful. Gotten a batch of vitamin deficiency eggs to hatch. Wasn't aware at the time. Aiso not stored correctly by temp and upside down. Out of 24. Got only 4 assisted hatch. 2 with yolk sack exposed and 2 upside down. I was ready to quit the incubation. Anyway your info really helped me. lol! green feet and the other three are healthy. I did boiled some eggs and along with medicated chick feed to build their strength up. Coursed I did dealt with wry neck. Pulled out of that problem. Ready for normal hatching.
  17. silky smooth
    love this post thanks.
  18. Joshua G
    Sally, this article is, simply put, THE BEST!!!
    It was the most informative article on helping chicks I've ever read!
    Loved every bit of it and I now use it as a guide when helping my chicks.
    Keep up the good work!!
  19. mymilliefleur
    Well done article! VERY detailed. Thank you!
  20. HeatherJoe
    very informational!!! thank you for this post...............i will keep returning to this for help as the hatching process continues.
  21. Purpletie3
    Great information. I read it all day long as my very first hatch was an assisted one... ( And had the help of some great BYC Members!) :)
  22. LogCabinChicks
    thank you, the best help guide I've read on ANY topic!!!
  23. hogster160
    Thank you thank you! I had to assist on a turkey egg that was 24 hours zipped, and membrane drying out under a broody. Worked like a charm and turkey poult is doing wonderful!
  24. Wilchild54
    Great article Sally very good advise ,thank you for sharing ...
  25. Jonsgrl
    So glad I found this when I did! I have eggs hatching as we speak and this is my first go round with hatching eggs in an incubator...I really needed this right now, only if to calm the anxiety as I wait :) Now, I will know if anything doesn't look right or know that everything is going right. So far eggs are looking good. I am just praying they do their thing because I am really nervous about having to deal with some of the issues I read about here. I didn't know a lot of this information before I started, I admit I was just excited to incubate and did not do enough research before hand. I have learned a lot scrolling through the threads, reading awesome posts like this, and by other peoples experiences and advice!
  26. GardenDmpls
    Thanks so much for this. We were hatching eggs at our high school animal science program and while I was always told to never assist a chick in hatching, one chick had zippered around the shell and then just stopped. Another had pipped on the side of its shell at the lower end and then also quit. After 18 hours, I went on line, found your article and decided to help them out. The first chick had very dry membranes and popped right out. Her head was turned around totally backward. I thought she wouldn't make it, but within a day there was only a slight list in her walk and two weeks out, you can't tell which chick had the problem. The other was almost dry. I opened the shell part way and repositioned the egg, after taking the chicks head from under the wing.The chick pushed her way out shortly after that, but could not walk and was dead by the next morning. I had the students do eggtopsys. Two chicks were "breech" and the others had the air bubbles on the side. I hear this is common with shipped eggs, but next time I will let them sit a few hours longer than 24 before incubating. 50%hatch, but a lot of learning. Now just hoping there are a lot of hens.
  27. TeaChick
    Thank you for posting this article.
    I hate to say that it has mostly helped me with egg-topsies. I had one chick that I thought had died in the shell and opened it up on day 23 to find the chick moving. If I had just cracked open the egg, I would have killed a living chick; since I started the egg-topsy with assisted hatching techniques, I was able to put that one back in the 'bator. =)
  28. Odelia
    This is a fabulous article. Thanks!
  29. Csoldan
    Sally, you have given me the confidence to try your suggestions - I won't wait so long next time and see if I can save some of my chicks.
  30. kiwijean83
    Thank you so much for this article, just wish I had found it sooner. I was one of those newbies, just did it to one of my ducklings (heartbreaking, just wanted to shove it back in and tape up the egg. I had 24 days in my head for incubation, I was wrong ). Appreciate the info. Just breathe.
  31. mommaof4boys
    I have a duck egg that was due yesterday. She has a small hole in the shell which she started over 24 hours ago and no progress at all. She is still alive cause she sticks her beak out alot but she is not quacking or chirping as much. Im worried :-(
  32. Kleonaptra
    Thankyou so much for this article, if only I had found it years ago! Am now reading thru for the second time and sure to do so many times again.
  33. homeworkin
    Thank you! With some luck and your instructions I was able to save two FBCM chicks last night. One was hatching at the wrong end and the other just seemed stuck. The stuck one just needed a little help to find the right place to hatch out (shipped eggs). The backwards chick was truly stuck. It pipped out the wrong end of the egg and then sat there cheeping and sleeping for about 18 hours. Finally it was clear it was not going to progress so bit by bit over the next 6 hours I helped it. I kept waiting for it kick free, but it was truly stuck. I finally had half the shell off and it still sat there so I let it rest another hour. Finally it was able to get it's head free and half an hour later it kicked out of the egg. Without your help we surely would have lost that one!
  34. Regin
    Thank you for the great information. This was my first my first hatch and we were able to save two, one of which was pecked on the wrong end.
  35. rbaker0345
    Great tip about the bacitracin. I was having troubles with shrink wrapping and it seemed that if there was an internal pip or any opening into the inner membrane, when I put them back into the bator they would always, always get some sort of infection. Going to use the bacitracin and see if I have better results. Hopefully no more shrink wrapped chicks, though, I got a hatching bator for my birthday.
  36. sunny & the 5 egg layers
    Awesome article! Definitely adding this to my favorites list for safe keeping. Thanks so much!
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  37. TWOMANYCHICKENS
    Amazing article! Thank you for the time you put into this. Very informative
  38. Marty1876
    Sally, this is good work!
  39. ChucktheChick
    Great job! I will come to this whenever I need it!
  40. tammir
    Sally-
    Thank you so much for this post, the chick I was worried about yesterday died in its shell, even after having made a good size hole to breathe out of, after the first two to hatch bowled him around a little to roughly - I think the golden color liquid that dripped from his shell was from the yolk sack. I did a partial eggtopsy a few minutes ago and all of the membrane was pretty much cleared of the blood, he was just absorbing the yolk before he finished....in a way I'm sad to have lost him, but have learned a great deal from it, and have one that I am assisting because the humidity is off in the bator and the outer membrane was drying out. Thanks again for all of the great info!
  41. Frost Homestead
    great advice!
  42. kakhan
    Superb information.will save my many chicks in future.Thank you.
  43. hillfloweranch
    Sally ...fabulous information!! and you were right ...I left her/him alone and with fantastic push...out she/he came...I posted the video in my "hatch video" post...again can't thank you enough!! my very first time hatching/incubating eggs
  44. Sally Sunshine
    Cool Thank you for all the Thumbs up Ovations!! <3 Just hoping to save some chicks and ease some nerves!
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  46. Peeps4me
    Excellent information Sally. Thanks for sharing!
  47. TheNuttyChick
    Great info! Thank you and I hope you don't mind me sharing this on my Facebook page. If you do that please PM me and I will remove it.
  48. sumi
    Great article, Sally!
  49. kelly77
    Great Article Sally!
  50. cochins1088
    This is a great article!

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