We are 35th in the world I sure agree with all of you. The people have to ask for better, cheaper.
$295??? They're kidding right?
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What I'm asking is...why do people need to get in over their heads first? Let's face it -- most of the time, people get in over their heads because they're uninsured or underinsured, or because they get hurt or sick and lose their job and their insurance goes with it, or their insurance company simply drops them for being too costly, or because they lose coverage with one company and can't find coverage with another on account of some kind of pre-existing condition, etc..
What I'm suggesting is that, instead of doing nothing until people get in over their heads and lose everything, why can't we allow people to buy into programs like medicare, medicaid, CHIPs, and so forth -- the ones who cover those types of people anyway -- thereby infusing those already-underwater programs with cash from healthy people with money, while at the same time affording people the stability that comes with removing the weird, arbitrary link between full-time employment and health insurance?
Not to mention...if you're paying premiums, it's not really "government assistance" is it? It's just another healthcare plan that doesn't happen to be tied to employment and is therefore not gonna get yanked if a person actually gets really sick, loses a job, etc..
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I won't go into charities too much because it would surely get this thread locked, but suffice it to say that there are charities out there -- big, well-known charities -- who refuse to treat certain groups of people.
For the most part, they're good...but I don't think they're the solution this country needs right now.
JMHO, though..
What I'm asking is...why do people need to get in over their heads first? Let's face it -- most of the time, people get in over their heads because they're uninsured or underinsured, or because they get hurt or sick and lose their job and their insurance goes with it, or their insurance company simply drops them for being too costly, or because they lose coverage with one company and can't find coverage with another on account of some kind of pre-existing condition, etc..
What I'm suggesting is that, instead of doing nothing until people get in over their heads and lose everything, why can't we allow people to buy into programs like medicare, medicaid, CHIPs, and so forth -- the ones who cover those types of people anyway -- thereby infusing those already-underwater programs with cash from healthy people with money, while at the same time affording people the stability that comes with removing the weird, arbitrary link between full-time employment and health insurance?
Not to mention...if you're paying premiums, it's not really "government assistance" is it? It's just another healthcare plan that doesn't happen to be tied to employment and is therefore not gonna get yanked if a person actually gets really sick, loses a job, etc..
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I won't go into charities too much because it would surely get this thread locked, but suffice it to say that there are charities out there -- big, well-known charities -- who refuse to treat certain groups of people.
For the most part, they're good...but I don't think they're the solution this country needs right now.
JMHO, though..
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You got to be kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!
Heck I can go to WalMart and get those for four dollar containers!
Depends on the formulation.. Some of the vitamins you get OTC aren't very good.
I dunno how many of you folks raise livestock other than chickens, but for those of you who do, think about the mineral you set out. That's all vitamins are, really -- mineral for people.
You can buy cheap mineral with stuff like ferric oxide and copper oxide and lots of other ingredients they throw in just so they can stick it on the label, regardless of whether or not it's actually bioavailable to the animal...or...you can spend good money on good mineral and get ferrous sulfate, copper sulfate and chelate, etc., which are highly bioavailable and actually do the animal some good.
With that in mind, that $4 bottle of vitamins at Wal-Mart may not be doing that much good, depending what's actually in it and how it's put together.. When it's something as important as a prenatal, c'mon...do you really wanna find out the hard way that what you were buying wasn't worth a plug nickel?
You got to be kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!
Heck I can go to WalMart and get those for four dollar containers!
Depends on the formulation.. Some of the vitamins you get OTC aren't very good.
I dunno how many of you folks raise livestock other than chickens, but for those of you who do, think about the mineral you set out. That's all vitamins are, really -- mineral for people.
You can buy cheap mineral with stuff like ferric oxide and copper oxide and lots of other ingredients they throw in just so they can stick it on the label, regardless of whether or not it's actually bioavailable to the animal...or...you can spend good money on good mineral and get ferrous sulfate, copper sulfate and chelate, etc., which are highly bioavailable and actually do the animal some good.
With that in mind, that $4 bottle of vitamins at Wal-Mart may not be doing that much good, depending what's actually in it and how it's put together.. When it's something as important as a prenatal, c'mon...do you really wanna find out the hard way that what you were buying wasn't worth a plug nickel?
CM for the purpose of not getting this thread locked I think we need to agree to disagree. I have strong feelings about these subjects as others do and this was not the intent of this thread to argue politics, and that is clearly where you are going.
This thread(forgive me Gritsar if I am wrong) was a place for the OP to vent on a monetary and health crisis in her life. Aside for that it should be a place for making suggestions that may help people NOW, that are in need. That is why I made suggestions to those that need help of where to start. By any means the places I suggested are just a start and there are many other places that may help, please suggest these if you are aware of any.
If you want to debate this, open a political thread, though with the way attacks are thrown in those threads don't expect them to last long. Even though I post in them I NEVER start them, for that reason. Again let us make as much attempt as possible to keep politics from this thread out of respect for the OP.
This thread(forgive me Gritsar if I am wrong) was a place for the OP to vent on a monetary and health crisis in her life. Aside for that it should be a place for making suggestions that may help people NOW, that are in need. That is why I made suggestions to those that need help of where to start. By any means the places I suggested are just a start and there are many other places that may help, please suggest these if you are aware of any.
If you want to debate this, open a political thread, though with the way attacks are thrown in those threads don't expect them to last long. Even though I post in them I NEVER start them, for that reason. Again let us make as much attempt as possible to keep politics from this thread out of respect for the OP.
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I take umbrage with the word "argue," but otherwise...OK.
I guess we made our points.
I guess we made our points.
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Or they pay cash...or order from www.canadameds.com or www.supersavermeds.com...or go to a sliding scale clinic...or get medicaid....
Which doesn't help when your meds cost in the hundreds of dollars or you don't qualify for medicaid for one of the many inane reasons. Especially when first you have to come up with the money to pay the doctor for the visit to get the scrip.
I'm sure I could go to a charity, but funny how even though I donated to several every year for 20 years, the time I was in need I couldn't even get them to get me an application for aid. Several of the folks I talked to didn't even know HOW a person got aid from the charity. They knew how to take my money, sure, but when all I needed was $100 to keep my electrical on and not loose my car, they shrugged and couldn't help me, even though that's exactly the sort of service they claimed my donations were going for.
Thank goodness for a 'socialist' program, or I'd have lost my car and thus the job I had just started, and been totally screwed with no way to get unscrewed.
I paid my taxes, and got helped by a government program. I donated to a charity, and when I was in need got told to bugger off. Lesson learned.
Or they pay cash...or order from www.canadameds.com or www.supersavermeds.com...or go to a sliding scale clinic...or get medicaid....
Which doesn't help when your meds cost in the hundreds of dollars or you don't qualify for medicaid for one of the many inane reasons. Especially when first you have to come up with the money to pay the doctor for the visit to get the scrip.
I'm sure I could go to a charity, but funny how even though I donated to several every year for 20 years, the time I was in need I couldn't even get them to get me an application for aid. Several of the folks I talked to didn't even know HOW a person got aid from the charity. They knew how to take my money, sure, but when all I needed was $100 to keep my electrical on and not loose my car, they shrugged and couldn't help me, even though that's exactly the sort of service they claimed my donations were going for.
Thank goodness for a 'socialist' program, or I'd have lost my car and thus the job I had just started, and been totally screwed with no way to get unscrewed.
I paid my taxes, and got helped by a government program. I donated to a charity, and when I was in need got told to bugger off. Lesson learned.
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Or they pay cash...or order from www.canadameds.com or www.supersavermeds.com...or go to a sliding scale clinic...or get medicaid....
Which doesn't help when your meds cost in the hundreds of dollars or you don't qualify for medicaid for one of the many inane reasons. Especially when first you have to come up with the money to pay the doctor for the visit to get the scrip.
I'm sure I could go to a charity, but funny how even though I donated to several every year for 20 years, the time I was in need I couldn't even get them to get me an application for aid. Several of the folks I talked to didn't even know HOW a person got aid from the charity. They knew how to take my money, sure, but when all I needed was $100 to keep my electrical on and not loose my car, they shrugged and couldn't help me, even though that's exactly the sort of service they claimed my donations were going for.
Thank goodness for a 'socialist' program, or I'd have lost my car and thus the job I had just started, and been totally screwed with no way to get unscrewed.
I paid my taxes, and got helped by a government program. I donated to a charity, and when I was in need got told to bugger off. Lesson learned.
AMEN!
Or they pay cash...or order from www.canadameds.com or www.supersavermeds.com...or go to a sliding scale clinic...or get medicaid....
Which doesn't help when your meds cost in the hundreds of dollars or you don't qualify for medicaid for one of the many inane reasons. Especially when first you have to come up with the money to pay the doctor for the visit to get the scrip.
I'm sure I could go to a charity, but funny how even though I donated to several every year for 20 years, the time I was in need I couldn't even get them to get me an application for aid. Several of the folks I talked to didn't even know HOW a person got aid from the charity. They knew how to take my money, sure, but when all I needed was $100 to keep my electrical on and not loose my car, they shrugged and couldn't help me, even though that's exactly the sort of service they claimed my donations were going for.
Thank goodness for a 'socialist' program, or I'd have lost my car and thus the job I had just started, and been totally screwed with no way to get unscrewed.
I paid my taxes, and got helped by a government program. I donated to a charity, and when I was in need got told to bugger off. Lesson learned.
AMEN!
in my area there are no charities to help when you need it. if they are they end up giving the stuff to family members. madicaid in ky is a mess. No matter how bad a shape you are in there is no help. I got told by a worker at the medicaid office that if my kids were not my husbands then I could get help but because they are his there is no help for me. I also got told that if I was addicted to drugs that I could get help and I asked them "because I am married to my kids daddy, and I am not a dopy then I can't get any help ?" and I was told
"YES". that is what bothers me very bad. My dh pays taxes too they are cut from his paycheck every payday. It is not my fault that I got sick and am unable to work. I didnt ask for it. I didn't do it to myself. but I get told because im not a hooch or a dopy then I am not elligable. oh well.
"YES". that is what bothers me very bad. My dh pays taxes too they are cut from his paycheck every payday. It is not my fault that I got sick and am unable to work. I didnt ask for it. I didn't do it to myself. but I get told because im not a hooch or a dopy then I am not elligable. oh well.
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Or they pay cash...or order from www.canadameds.com or www.supersavermeds.com...or go to a sliding scale clinic...or get medicaid....
Or tried all those things and went back to suffering on some scale or another. I can't afford anything... I go to Urgent care and pay $160 a trip for me, if they don't have samples I got without unless its on Wal-marts $4 list.
Just realize... its an ALL or NOTHING set up. You either have enough to do it yourself, or you literally have NOTHING and can't afford to breath to get help. Its those in the middle who struggle up and down everyday.
They just sent me 2 lists of medicaid cuts on my daughter. Certain things they will not longer cover, her amount of visits per year have been cut from 15 to 7, they no longer cover certain things dental, won't pay for x-rays and won't pay for 'emergency room' waits just what was preformed while there.
Forget therapy or meds... not included any longer, unless its group therapy and you are insured in college and under the age of 21!
Or they pay cash...or order from www.canadameds.com or www.supersavermeds.com...or go to a sliding scale clinic...or get medicaid....
Or tried all those things and went back to suffering on some scale or another. I can't afford anything... I go to Urgent care and pay $160 a trip for me, if they don't have samples I got without unless its on Wal-marts $4 list.
Just realize... its an ALL or NOTHING set up. You either have enough to do it yourself, or you literally have NOTHING and can't afford to breath to get help. Its those in the middle who struggle up and down everyday.
They just sent me 2 lists of medicaid cuts on my daughter. Certain things they will not longer cover, her amount of visits per year have been cut from 15 to 7, they no longer cover certain things dental, won't pay for x-rays and won't pay for 'emergency room' waits just what was preformed while there.
Forget therapy or meds... not included any longer, unless its group therapy and you are insured in college and under the age of 21!
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My prenatal vitamins... prenatal VITAMINS, y'all... are costing us $40/mo after insurance. That's insane, they're VITAMINS! Oh well, gotta have 'em.
Were I in your position I would take the bottle to my pharmacist (try to go at a non-busy time) and ask him to suggest an over-the-counter vitamin with the same %s of the individual vitamins. Or become a label reader and do it yourself.
One of the pharmacists at walmart is very helpful and I've gone to him for advice several times. Pharmacists usually know drugs better than the doctor does. Most doctors are so busy that they rely on what the drug reps. tell them. Thankfully my doctor is not one of those.
My DH was a bit ticked last night that they couldn't fill my script, requiring another trip to town. I was shocked that the pharmacist was willing to give me enough to last until we could get back to town.
There are still doctors out there that will work with you on paying your bill. It just requires a little work on your part to find them.
My prenatal vitamins... prenatal VITAMINS, y'all... are costing us $40/mo after insurance. That's insane, they're VITAMINS! Oh well, gotta have 'em.
Were I in your position I would take the bottle to my pharmacist (try to go at a non-busy time) and ask him to suggest an over-the-counter vitamin with the same %s of the individual vitamins. Or become a label reader and do it yourself.
One of the pharmacists at walmart is very helpful and I've gone to him for advice several times. Pharmacists usually know drugs better than the doctor does. Most doctors are so busy that they rely on what the drug reps. tell them. Thankfully my doctor is not one of those.
My DH was a bit ticked last night that they couldn't fill my script, requiring another trip to town. I was shocked that the pharmacist was willing to give me enough to last until we could get back to town.
There are still doctors out there that will work with you on paying your bill. It just requires a little work on your part to find them.
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