Cap and Trade Bill?? What the heck is it?

[DuckLady]

 

[1acrefarm]

Quote:
My personal electric usage already costs less than 30 dollars per month. I seriously doubt I could trim that anymore. Jobs would be lost because factories would have to move overseas to be able to stay afloat.

 

[GrayDragon]

Quote:
And corporations aren't?

 

[horsejody]

Quote:
Aahh, yes, Utopia is within our reach. All we need to do is let government take care of everything, and we should believe everything they tell us.

 

[horsejody]

Quote:
And corporations aren't?

At least corporations have to sell us a product. Yes, corporations can be corrupt, but that doesn't mean that it's OK for government to follow suit. More government has never improved anything, and the more they tax, the more they spend.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Quote:
And corporations aren't?

Main Entry: 1steal
Pronunciation: \\ˈstēl\\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): stole \\ˈstōl\\; sto·len \\ˈstō-lən\\; steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal
Date: before 12th century

intransitive verb 1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice
2 : to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3 : to steal or attempt to steal a base

A corporation as a right to make a profit even if it is a very high profit, and some don't like it. To remove profit removes competition and that removes incentive to excel.

Main Entry: 1tax
Pronunciation: \\ˈtaks\\
Function: transitive verb
Etymology: Middle English, to estimate, assess, tax, from Anglo-French taxer, from Medieval Latin taxare, from Latin, to feel, estimate, censure, frequentative of tangere to touch — more at tangent
Date: 14th century

1 : to assess or determine judicially the amount of (costs in a court action)
2 : to levy a tax on
3 obsolete : to enter (a name) in a list <there went out a decree…that all the world should be taxed — Luke 2:1(Authorized Version)>
4 : charge, accuse <taxed him with neglect of duty>; also : censure
5 : to make onerous and rigorous demands on <the job taxed her strength>

Read line 5 please because this is much closer to stealing than profit. BIG difference between making a profit, and reaching into someones pocket and making demands.

Main Entry: 1prof·it
Pronunciation: \\ˈprä-fət\\
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French, from Latin profectus advance, profit, from proficere
Date: 14th century

1 : a valuable return : gain
2 : the excess of returns over expenditure in a transaction or series of transactions; especially : the excess of the selling price of goods over their cost
3 : net income usually for a given period of time
4 : the ratio of profit for a given year to the amount of capital invested or to the value of sales
5 : the compensation accruing to entrepreneurs for the assumption of risk in business enterprise as distinguished from wages or ren

Almost forgot to post profit, read line 1 no corporation can exist reasonably without the freedom to make a profit, and gooberment has no right to regulate how much we or a corporation should earn.

 

[deerman]

Quote:
And corporations aren't?

They are out to make a profit, so more tax on them, will be passed on to us.
The goverment is going to tax us all, rich and poor. They are great at hiding them, so most people want know.

They tax electric Company, the electric company raise our rate, so most people then will blame the electric company. When will, WE THE PEOPLE , wake up to goverment tricks.

Look at the amout they have been spending, no way can they get that back from only the rich.

 

[WalkingWolf]

Quote:
And corporations aren't?

They are out to make a profit, so more tax on them, will be passed on to us.
The goverment is going to tax us all, rich and poor. That are great at hiding them, so most people want know.

They tax electric Company, the electric company raise our rate, so most people then will blame the electric company. When will, WE THE PEOPLE , wake up to goverment tricks.

Look at the amout they have been spending, no way can they get that back from only the rich.

Deerman they do not intend on getting that from the ultra rich, they are their buddies. For every tax they make they will make a unpublished loophole for them not to pay taxes..

UHC will collect taxes for 3 1/2 years before one actual benefit is payed out. Does this sound right to any sane mind?

Just take a look at the tax dodgers already in the administration. Wake up America!

 

[cmjust0]

Consider this...

It's obviously cheaper to pollute than not pollute, else these companies would be "greener" to begin with.. There's a clear financial incentive to pollute. When you combine that with competition, the situation becomes such that the less 'green' you are, the more competitive you'll be in terms of being able to undercut your competitor.

If, as a general rule, you consider pollution to be a bad thing -- as most folks do -- it becomes clear that what we're currently engaged in is a race to the bottom. It's a race to see who can be the most reckless, because recklessness is tied to profitability.

Well, Cap & Trade changes that. Instead of the financial incentive being linked to more pollution, it becomes linked to less pollution, which gives the greener company a competitive advantage. Pretty soon, everybody is trying to figure out how to pollute less and sell more of those carbon credits to the polluters so they can pass those savings on to their customers and undercut the competition

All of a sudden, it's a race to the top.

Now, consider this....if your energy company is telling you that your costs are going to go up, what they're really saying is that they're going to have to buy carbon credits because they're either not willing or not able to clean up after themselves..

They want you to assume that those costs will simply be passed on to the consumer with no consequence to the company itself, but the reality is that if they increase rates dramatically overnight, they're going to start seeing a lot of accounts receivable go into an ever growing file cabinet labeled "Uncollectable."

Businesses can't survive if they don't get paid for their products and services.

Now, obviously their rate increases are due to them having to purchase carbon credits...but from whom?

Other power companies, of course! That's the "trade" in "cap & trade"!

Free-market principles tell us exactly what happens when one company struggles and grows weaker as another prospers and grows stronger....the weak (or, in this case, the polluting) company goes under or gets bought out and the stronger (greener) company picks up the market share.

Next thing ya know, you've got a new power company that's charging you less than the old one, and there's a lot less pollution being put into our environment.

So...how is this a bad thing again?

 

[GrayDragon]

Quote:
And corporations aren't?

Main Entry: 1steal
Pronunciation: \\ˈstēl\\
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): stole \\ˈstōl\\; sto·len \\ˈstō-lən\\; steal·ing
Etymology: Middle English stelen, from Old English stelan; akin to Old High German stelan to steal
Date: before 12th century

intransitive verb 1 : to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice
2 : to come or go secretly, unobtrusively, gradually, or unexpectedly
3 : to steal or attempt to steal a base

So, what you are saying is when the electric company installed new meters and suddenly everyone's bill shot up, and after finally being taken to court the electric company finally admitted that the new meters 'might not be calibrated correctly', that was theft?

And when the meter reader just guesses and that causes a bill to double, that is also theft? http://savannahnow.com/node/423120

Good, I'm glad you understand the definition of the word.