Cap and Trade Bill?? What the heck is it?

[TipsyDog]

I've heard you won't be able to sell your home under Cap and Trade if it's not up to California code (strictest in the nation). Your home will be audited and you will have to bring it up to code before it can be sold. 90% of Americans can't afford that.

To really see what it's about, go to Europe where it has been in effect. Registrations for vehicles are based on their engine size. Large Mercedes or BMW's are taxed at about $500 per year because they pollute more. Small VW's can be taxed as little as $50 per year. It's a tax the government uses to shift consumers to purchase what they think we all should be buying.

Cap & Trade has gone so far in Europe now that if you own an older home you MUST insulate and rip the roof off to bring it to code. If you have a home that you rent and it is not up to code, the tenant can then reduce the rent owed to you because it's costing them more for heat or hot water or whatever. You have no say anymore. They have inspectors that come in and audit your furnance. If it emits too much carbons, you MUST replace it with an efficient model.

Things are seriously out of control, IMHO. But, I know people who are just starting to ask about this stuff and quite frankly, I think it too late for most people to get out of the way of this speeding train

 

[ivan3]

Just some current news on the subject:

http://www.heatingoil.com/blog/1018/

Considering that a consistent and well thought out national energy policy is a matter of national security, ya gotta wonder.

 

[Royd]

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That's a good way to explain it. Thank you.

I don't mean to offend or belittle anyone, but I am a green business owner and I am working on my Masters in geology/environmental science. I could be working for an oil ocmpany if I wanted to, but morally I cannot. (Well- my area of concentration is Fluvial Geomorphology so they might not want me) It's my job to know as much about environmental issues as possible. I get my information from universities- not fox news. I try to explain using Discovery Channel laymens terms, but that obviously didn't work.
IMHO "Cap and Trade" is not perfect- but it's a START.

And for those of you that don't "believe" in climate change, all I have to say to you is "Did Adam and Eve have bellybuttons?"

Who doesn't believe in climate change? I'm sure there are wheat farmers, in Southern Canada, who are happy about it. The problem is the people, who think that the status quo, is where the climate/ weather, should always remain, and they set themselves up, as some kind of weather control god.
I've got news for you. The Earth is eventually going to be destroyed, like it, or not, and there isn't a thing, any human being will be able to do, to prevent it.
Punishing countries and people, in order to establish some kind of personal agenda, mainly, give us your money, is a crime. Yes, Al Gore is a criminal, and all who willingly jump on his bandwagon, are willing schills.

 

[wombat]

edit: Removed my sarcasm, this is what's left:

 

[Iowa Roo Mom]

Is it just me or is this thread teetering on a fine line of being locked?

 

[Big C]

If you want to pay more money for everything you purchase/consume that would be mandated by the government, then be for it.
If you want business to naturally progress to a mix of "green" technology and fossil fuels as they are doing now then be against it.
If you want a tax credit for installing a wind turbine at you home and sell the energy you don't use back to the power company as is the case now, then don't be for it since if this passes there is an exemption for the power companies to reject the above.

 

[1acrefarm]

I believe in climate change. Climate change was happening way before man existed and it will be happening way after we are extinct. We can't control the climate period.

 

[Tala]

I gotta say. If my energy bill doubles I'll be back on foodstamps again.

How exactly does that help the government's money situation?

Sure they get more money from taxes on energy, but it's going right back out the door when more people who were barely getting by suddenly qualify for benefits such as foodstamps. Makes perfect sense to me

 

[deb1]

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I hope not. I have nothing productive to add but I am enjoying the debate.

 

[Boyd]

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No, they didn't because if you believe in Adam and Eve then you believe in the bible. God created man, and from Adam god crafted eve. Belly buttons the the remenints of the umbilical cord and since they were formed from the void they wouldn't have them. Now their kids on the other hand.............

No I don't believe in man made climate change. There have been "cycles" that have been going on forever on the earth. I don't care about the hoopla, history and archeology shows us this to be true.