Chipping away at rights...

[deerman]

Yep we lose more rights every year, and pay more to do it.

Getting to the point everyone is breaking some law.

 

[got2bskilled]

Thanks Texan~

Virginia is next in line for all this smoking ban trash. Right now it is being played out in different cities. We are big tabbacco growers too... so it seems odd.

Here is just one of many guesses as to the government induced smoking ban... I might be off base..... but I think I am on the right path..anyone remember talk of the

Government's Socialized Health Care System

Perhaps the govenment planned 6 moves ahead (like chess). If they control smoking they can save a buck with the health system.

 

[NancyDz]

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Run-A-Muck Nice rant.. I aree with you and I wasnt talking about responsible smokers who use ashtrays... my comment about parking lots was about smokers who dump the ashtray of their car out in parking lots... it happens all the time around here and in doing animal rescue I've seen many wild birds who've tried to eat the filters and butts die from it on many occasions... so I'm sure that makes me a bit more intolerant when I see innocent wildlife affected too... I avoid places that allow smoking just like you avoid ones that don't. Works for me. I actually smoke a cigar once in awhile.... maybe one every 3 months and the cigar shop is a smoking lounge, they always ask me if I want to light up there , I politely decline, quickly get my cigar and leave. I can't stand all the smoke in there. I enjoy my cigar out on my deck on a nice evening where it only affects me and my bf who is also smoking one. I don't even let my dogs out when we are smoking... I guess the difference for me is public places vs private.... if I was told I couldnt smoke a cigar on my deck I'd be hopping mad but in a public place .. I just don't see the issue when it's a health hazard that could affect others.

 

[NancyDz]

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I'd be happy to go outside if the smoke actually left the building when I went back in and didnt linger and stick to the walls, etc..... I'd have no problem with a "free smoke" every hour , it's just that coming back into the room would be so nasty. Maybe they could just make every place of business put in a state of the art ventilation system that would suck out all the toxins ... I bet that would be cost effective

 

[farmerlor]

Remember that it's NOT just the government. Time and time again it's the VOTERS who have decided to pass non-smoking laws in their own communities. Voters are the people who go to those establishments so it's a good thing the business owners are listening.

 

[foweler]

I hate smoke and steer well clear of it when I see it but will fight for your right to do it even if you chose not to take steps to keep me from having to breath it.

Why?

Because if we legislate everything its a matter of time before they take what I value away from me.

You have to tolerate other people's behavior if you want liberty.

Now if smoker's had as a collective group had made a sincere effort to mind their second hand smoke in the first place the laws would have had a harder time appearing "justified"

My mother is a militant smoker. Focuses only on her right to smoke and not on everyone else's right to stink free breathing. I can't get her to understand how she helped cause the laws by her behavior.

 

[Rhett&SarahsMom]

honestly
The only problems I have with people that smoke is with former
co workers would disappear for cig breaks constantly. And since the boss smoked it was "ok"

I never have smoked. Never felt the need to. Plus working in barns all my life it just wasnt the "thing" to do.
And I had the opposite of peer pressure. My best friend growing up smoked. She told me one day, as she was lighting up
"If I ever see you with a cigarette I will kill you"

 

[debilorrah]

As a smoker, I make SURE not to take too many breaks during the day. Only one before lunch for 5 minutes and after lunch for 5 minutes. There are others here who abouse it, and I will not be of them, thank you.

 

[mjdtexan]

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I support a business's right to have a smoking establishment, but I also support your right to be at the DMV, or the bus stop, or the grocery store, etc etc and be forced to breathe my smoke. I always asked someone if it was going to bother them if I smoked if I was not sure. In a bar or the like however, you should just not go if you know the owner caters to smokers. I dont smoke anymore but my high horse is only as tall as a short ducks knees.

 

[beak]

Rhett&SarahsMom :

I dont smoke, but I also think that smokers have rights as well.
And a non smoking bar is just sort of wrong to me.

I remember when you could smoke in movie theaters.

That was the serious pits. You could see the movie projecting on the cigg smoke. When it used to be legal it didn't bother me that much. Now that it's illegal I can smell a cigg being smoked 3 cars ahead of me at a stop light with my windows up. It's very disgusting now.

That being said I think restaurants should always be non smoking, but bars should have the choice. The health issue in a bar is kind of a moot point. Alcohol is worse than ciggs. Like Farmerlor said it's hard to sit in a bar all night long without a cigg.

What I find amusing is when a restaurant or any business has their employees smoking right in front of the entrance. You have to walk through a cloud of smoke to get inside. Of course if they keep raising the cigg tax people will eventually stop smoking.​