Cochin Thread!!!

[AndyCap]

to answer the question about white breasted sp, it's because of the wheaten base probably... what I would do, if you're looking to 'build' a good silver penciled, is to get your partridge line going first, making sure the roos have nice deep black chests, then cross out to a silver *something* and then breed back

as for your "creole" question, it's actually spelled crele (I pronounce it like cr-eel), is barring on a bbr background. technically cochins won't likely be crele since it requires a duckwing bbr pattern.
the "crele people" tend to get a bit irked when someone shows a barred brown-red or similar colored bird and call it crele, tho the results are very similar.
but even so, that roo didn't look barred at all. so no idea what he'd be considered.

Thanks Ki4got,

yeah i spoke to the guy today who bought the various birds, and he said after looking more closely he was convinced most were experiments done on an ER birchen base. a lot of very strange mutts and mixes, the two in the last pic were younger version of the big guy.

He also got a lot of these random "silver" birds



They look surprisingly similar to my mottled culls from my partridge project

 

[lilcrow]

It is the little mottled that came out of my partridge program, why my friend has put him with this girl i am not entirely sure. All of the SP look very washed out here, and is something i am going to look at creating when i have some decent partridge in the next few years. We see a lot of white chests in our SP, havent figured out why yet.

This project he took over had some very interested birds, once i am done sorting out the pics i will post them. There were creole males, mealy grey hens, some odd birchen culls, and 4 partridge that i convinced him to keep. Unfortunately not the best patterned partridge, but beautiful type. Also some massive black males.

Him and i are trying to figure out why one partridge has a pure blue chest, and the other has a chocolate chest. No black in either, which they are meant to have. Time will tell what they are hiding, but at least now there are two breeders working on partridge!

Here are some of the other culls.

Creole? male with poor birchen


nice black


?dont know? apart from the black


dominant white with leakage i guess.




mealy grey


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Andy, what don't you like about the Birchen hen? From what I can see, she looks nice. I see he's got a Birchen roo which he should put with her. The roo's wing are not right, he shouldn't have the white edges on the primaries, but otherwise he looks like a fair contributor to a Birchen program. It would be nice to see what those two could produce together.

 

[bamitsbrittany]

This is Remi. He is supposed to be 3 months old. Pullet or Roo?

He is the nicest chicken ever! Comes right up to me and lets me pick him up. So sweet. =]

 

[ki4got]

Andy, what don't you like about the Birchen hen? From what I can see, she looks nice. I see he's got a Birchen roo which he should put with her. The roo's wing are not right, he shouldn't have the white edges on the primaries, but otherwise he looks like a fair contributor to a Birchen program. It would be nice to see what those two could produce together.

Here in the US, duckwing is not found in bantam cochins, but apparently someone has incorporated it I s. Africa... the roo pictured looks an awful lot like my silver laced boy on the top line, (mine doesn't have the wing triangle) but not sure what his front looks like... I'm thinking the birchen is very similar? I haven't ever had that variety and haven't really researched it much.

 

[County Boy]

This is Remi. He is supposed to be 3 months old. Pullet or Roo?




He is the nicest chicken ever! Comes right up to me and lets me pick him up. So sweet. =]

He is a rooster and I love his name.

 

[AndyCap]

Andy, what don't you like about the Birchen hen? From what I can see, she looks nice. I see he's got a Birchen roo which he should put with her. The roo's wing are not right, he shouldn't have the white edges on the primaries, but otherwise he looks like a fair contributor to a Birchen program. It would be nice to see what those two could produce together.

You cant really see it from the picture but this hen has grey/blue under colour, and has some penciling in the blue feathers.

All of these are being sold. I did convince him to keep 4 "partridge" birds (gotta start somewhere), i will take pics of them when i am on the farm next. He has several quite nice birchen, but for some reason doesnt want to breed them.

Its great that a breeder who is a good friend indulges me

, now because of my whining he also has my cuckoo self blue culls, they are looking great now, mottled, partridge and penciled.

 

[AndyCap]

I have been doing research to find out if this is a Black Cochin Rooster. His name is George; very friendly, loves to be picked up and talks all the time.

looks like a Cochin, I love the talkative boys, congrats!

 

[lilcrow]

Here in the US, duckwing is not found in bantam cochins, but apparently someone has incorporated it I s. Africa... the roo pictured looks an awful lot like my silver laced boy on the top line, (mine doesn't have the wing triangle) but not sure what his front looks like... I'm thinking the birchen is very similar? I haven't ever had that variety and haven't really researched it much.

You are the first person that has ever addressed the issue of the duckwing pattern missing in Cochins. At one time I wanted to breed for the Crele in Cochins, but after researching it and realizing what a near impossible feet it would be to get the duckwing pattern started I gave up. I'm not into creating that many trash birds as I have no outlet for them and I can't/won't destroy that many birds.

 

[ihavechickens2]

I know these are not full cochin but their 50%. I'm more interested in the color,I believe they are paint.the mom was a bantam golden sexlink and dad brown red cochin. Here are some pics sorry not good pics took them with my phone.

I have three chicks, if they stay white withe black spots would it be considered paint?

 

[ki4got]

Quote: actually, I brought it up when the topic of crele came up (on another thread I think) last year or the year before... but basically got shut down because I was talking nonsense. ok guys do what you want, but it won't be RIGHT... I have contemplated it in other varieties, like the Dorking, but realize that the APA colors need way more help than a project's going to give them, so i'm concentrating on bringing the silver grey and red back to what they should be, before I try adding barring to the red.