Dying Chickens--what is it and how spreadable?

[Folly's place]

x2! Vinegar is irrelevant, and there's no reason to buy chick feed!
You can look for spoiled feed, poisons like rat poison available, lice or mite infestations that weaken birds, a dead partially eaten carcass, anything that just looks wrong out there. Open packages of anything inedible/ toxic?
Beyond that, have necropsies done.
Mary

 

[Thorn Fulford]

The Apple cider vinegar does help with adding vitamins it is nearly constantly in my water as well as tons of other byc members , I'm not saying it will help this particular situation but a cap full definitely wouldn't hurt anything, and even old timer remedies may be all she has while awaiting days on days for the necropsy. I would throw the book at this problem for now, feeding the medicated chick starter to help boost immune system, hell throw some oatmeal in too

 

[lazy gardener]

Medicated chick starter will be a detriment to the immune system if it affects it at all. Sure, there is extra protein, that is good. But Amprolium is a thiamine blocker. I'm not sure if it blocks thiamine uptake in the chicken, but it certainly is not beneficial to the chicken other than acting to prevent cocci replication... Obviously, if coccidiosis is the issue, the amprolium wouldn't hurt, but would not be sufficient to eradicate a full blown case of coccidiosis.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

The Apple cider vinegar does help with adding vitamins it is nearly constantly in my water as well as tons of other byc members , I'm not saying it will help this particular situation but a cap full definitely wouldn't hurt anything, and even old timer remedies may be all she has while awaiting days on days for the necropsy. I would throw the book at this problem for now, feeding the medicated chick starter to help boost immune system, hell throw some oatmeal in too

Medicated chick starter doesn't boost the immune system. Medicated feed doesn't contain a hodge podge of meds aimed at who knows what. It contains amprolium to stop replication of the protozoa coccidia. It does nothing else and if coccidiosis isn't the issue, it won't help. Other than the amprolium, it is exactly the same as non-medicated chick starter.
Organic apple cider vinegar does contain healthful enzymes, some amino acids and a fair amount of potassium but otherwise contains few vitamins or minerals.
According to the USDA, apple cider vinegar has no measurable vitamin A, vitamin B6, vitamin C, vitamin E, thiamin, riboflavin, niacin, pantothenic acid, beta-carotene, or folate -- and it's equally lacking in amino acids, lycopene, or any other nutritional elements. It's not possible for it to have any more than in an apple.
If you could enlighten me otherwise, please list the vitamins that are purported to be in ACV and the source of your research.
ACV is made in two steps. Step one exposes crushed apples to yeasts turning the sugar into alcohol.
The second step adds bacteria which convert the alcohol to acetic acid.
Most of the health benefits come from the mother (which has very little vitamin content), but the unenlightened may think they can use any ACV. If it is filtered and pasteurized, all you're left with is acetic acid, which is good for cleaning or acidifying the system but little else. The acetic acid can aid gut health.
If one really wants to boost vitamins, try a potent product like Nutri-Drench.
What is the oatmeal supposed to do that chicken feed isn't already doing?

 

[Thorn Fulford]

The oatmeal could do nothing bad bad idk where she is located but if it's cold nights I should have stated add then as a said I would throw the kitchen sink at this until necropsy is back . Like I said before no expert i just know what I was told to so from old southern( US) farmers

 

[ChickenCanoe]

You're right. Supportive therapy is very important. Any sick chicken should be given a place with 75-80F and vitamin therapy can't hurt. There are far better sources of that than ACV.
Other than that, a diagnosis is the shortcut to a cure, not throwing random meds their way.

 

[Lifewithchicks]

Medicated chick starter doesn't boost the immune system. Medicated feed doesn't contain a hodge podge of meds aimed at who knows what. It contains amprolium to stop replication of the protozoa coccidia. It does nothing else and if coccidiosis isn't the issue, it won't help. Other than the amprolium, it is exactly the same as non-medicated chick starter.
Organic apple cider vinegar does contain healthful enzymes, some amino acids and a fair amount of potassium but otherwise contains few vitamins or minerals.
According to the USDA, apple cider vinegar has no measurable vitamin A, vitamin B6, vitamin C, vitamin E, thiamin, riboflavin, niacin, pantothenic acid, beta-carotene, or folate -- and it's equally lacking in amino acids, lycopene, or any other nutritional elements. It's not possible for it to have any more than in an apple.
If you could enlighten me otherwise, please list the vitamins that are purported to be in ACV and the source of your research.
ACV is made in two steps. Step one exposes crushed apples to yeasts turning the sugar into alcohol.
The second step adds bacteria which convert the alcohol to acetic acid.
Most of the health benefits come from the mother (which has very little vitamin content), but the unenlightened may think they can use any ACV. If it is filtered and pasteurized, all your left with is acetic acid which is good for cleaning or acidifying the system but little else. The acetic acid can aid gut health.
If one really wants to boost vitamins, try a potent product like Nutri-Drench.
What is the oatmeal supposed to do that chicken feed isn't already doing?

I realize that a lot of people here do not like ACV. I have had personal experience with it bringing sick chickens back to life and curing Bumblefoot. Also, my husband started drinking a capful daily and he hasn’t had heartburn since and all his symptoms of stomach ulcer have gone away.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

My wife uses ACV for heartburn and indigestion but the reason it works is the acetic acid, not nutritional magic. How does it cure bumblefoot?

 

[Thorn Fulford]

I'm not sure exactly what the USDA says all I can keep saying is here in the South lol. Definitely doesn't hurt anything and I strongly recommend it for any kind of illness I keep over 50 chicks and chickens and have a very very low mortality rate

 

[ChickenCanoe]

Anecdotal
I've always had low mortality too, whether I used ACV or not.
The USDA is who does the analysis of foodstuffs to determine nutritional value.

Anecdotal evidence is when I do one thing and something else happens. It could happen time and again but there is no scientific evidence to tie the two together or at least for the reasons I surmise.
If I wake up every morning and the sun is coming up, it doesn't mean I cause the sun to come up when I wake up.