GMO dangers and animal miscarriages

[RHRanch]

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Yeah - I think I already said that. The subject was food distrobution, and many on this thread are saying that we need GMOs to feed the world. I was pointing out that it is irrlevant if the food grown is GMO, not GMO - we will not be able to feed the world when the major problem is access - we can't get the food to people, therefore they have no access to food, thats a huge component of why people go hungry.

Oh yes I agree with you there, but GMOs have the ability to produce more. Of course that doesn't mean anything if you can't get the food to the person though.

Thats exactly what I meant - all this "GMO can feed the world...." It can't if we don't address the accessability/distribution problem.

 

[SebrightLuver]

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Oh yes I agree with you there, but GMOs have the ability to produce more. Of course that doesn't mean anything if you can't get the food to the person though.

Thats exactly what I meant - all this "GMO can feed the world...." It can't if we don't address the accessability/distribution problem.

Of course, just a bit of miscommunication on my part

 

[RHRanch]

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Thats exactly what I meant - all this "GMO can feed the world...." It can't if we don't address the accessability/distribution problem.

Of course, just a bit of miscommunication on my part

Its easy to be misunderstood on a forum, I have noticed. No biggie.

 

[BlackBart]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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Speak for yourself! I am a scientist with several articles published in Peer Reviewed Journals.

I'm not a Scientist but my Cousin is a Geneticist and he has done some GMO testing.​

 

[ChickenAl]

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Speak for yourself! I am a scientist with several articles published in Peer Reviewed Journals.

I'm not a Scientist but my Cousin is a Geneticist and he has done some GMO testing.

Please, can we get some expert insight on the subject from your cousin, or Lazy J. It is understood that it may be prejudicial based on one's training, but some scientific clarity might help all of us.

There are always two sides to every story and having both discussed is important. My thinking is we don't know the long term effects of GMOs, distrust corporate in-house testing, and are not sure the gov't does enough to protect us. This is from where I approach the conversation, but would certainly like to hear more.

 

[independent007]

Read a few pages of this thread and must say everyone seems to be well informed.
We all will make our decisions one way or another. I am going to jump into the business in a year or two, but reading this thread has been an eyeopener.

I didn't read all the posts(15 pages), so I apologize if this was already mentioned, but Hungary has destroyed all of its GMC maize crop. And I have read that other governments are doing the same.
Here is the link.

http://www.allaboutfeed.net/news/hungary-destroys-all-gmo-maize-fields-11994.html

This is a fact that has occurred. The question is why? Why are countries banning GMC?

While we all can arrive at different conclusions, I think that entire countries banning or destroying GMC is a HUGE red flag for me personally. And according to the BBC even some African countries are refusing GMC seeds and assistance. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/2459903.stm
You can't make this stuff up. Now barring the "its food just eat it argument" and the "no long term affects" argument or even the "distribution" arguments, this and all that I have read tells me to be leary of ANYTHING GMC.

I recently had a discussion with a farmer that while not using GMC for his own crops does not oppose it for other countries to help people dying of hunger. Whatever the reason, I really can't argue against that position. And hope they work through their differences to save people. Save the life now, worry about the long term effects later? Man, I'm not god, but I did note in the article it did mention that they would accept "milled" grain. That is, not seeds. So this stuff is real and it looks as if the African countries are accepting this compromise.


That and, as was previously mentioned, do you really trust mega corporations(who now own our gvt and most of its politicians)? I used to, but now I don't especially after reading on here that if you put NON GMC on your sales sign you can be sued. Really? What are they worried about? Little Ole Farmer McDonald?

Not only that, do you think that Monsanto does not view everyone on here as collective competition? Which means different things to different people, however in a worsening economy I think about it.

Take heart though, they will not be able to stop people from producing their own organic or locally farmed food, whatever you personally decide to feed your chickens. There are too many of us. And thank god for that!

Again, for or against, great posts everyone and thanks for the education!

 

[BlackBart]

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I'm not a Scientist but my Cousin is a Geneticist and he has done some GMO testing.

Please, can we get some expert insight on the subject from your cousin, or Lazy J. It is understood that it may be prejudicial based on one's training, but some scientific clarity might help all of us.

There are always two sides to every story and having both discussed is important. My thinking is we don't know the long term effects of GMOs, distrust corporate in-house testing, and are not sure the gov't does enough to protect us. This is from where I approach the conversation, but would certainly like to hear more.

I have mentioned before on other GMO threads that my cousin had to sign confidentiality clauses on his research, even though his research was privately funded.
But I do know that he will avoid GMO food as much as possible. It is not so much as what he has to say, (or in this case not say) but how he lives his life and his facial expressions when the discussion of GM/GE foods are brought up.

It is in darn near everything, especially processed food. So try to eat as "clean" as possible.
If you can't pronounce the ingredients in the food item, is it food?

 

[Pele]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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Speak for yourself! I am a scientist with several articles published in Peer Reviewed Journals.

That wasn't intended as a personal insult to you. I like to assume that nobody present in an internet forum is the supreme source of knowledge, and encourage people to do research for themselves. It's easy to get online and say "i'm an expert and have three doctorates", and nobody can say otherwise. It's done on a daily basis in most forums.

I never ever nod my head to everything that everyone says online, that was the entire point of my post, which seems to have been ignored in favor of attacking one sentence.

It's not a personal thing against you or anyone else on this thread. If I was personally attacking you, I would have said "That Farms Feed and Hay, what a so and so..". I didn't do that. In fact, before you responded so heatedly, I really respected a lot of what you had to say previously. I in fact agreed with most of what you had to say.​

 

[GhostRider65]

Got a new mail today thought Id share the pages that were sent in it
http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/08/02/monsanto-nation-taking-down-goliath/
http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/08/02/feds-silence-scientist-over-salmon-disappearance/
http://healthfreedoms.org/2011/08/03/rawsome-foods-swat-style-multi-agency-raid-3-arrests-protest/
The first one is Monsanto related the other two are new things that are going on in Canada and with our own government food police, in California, not sure I exactly understand whats going on it the west, but I'm checking it out. If I find anything new on it I'll post, if you do please post. TY Kim

 

[ChickenAl]

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Please, can we get some expert insight on the subject from your cousin, or Lazy J. It is understood that it may be prejudicial based on one's training, but some scientific clarity might help all of us.

There are always two sides to every story and having both discussed is important. My thinking is we don't know the long term effects of GMOs, distrust corporate in-house testing, and are not sure the gov't does enough to protect us. This is from where I approach the conversation, but would certainly like to hear more.

I have mentioned before on other GMO threads that my cousin had to sign confidentiality clauses on his research, even though his research was privately funded.
But I do know that he will avoid GMO food as much as possible. It is not so much as what he has to say, (or in this case not say) but how he lives his life and his facial expressions when the discussion of GM/GE foods are brought up.

It is in darn near everything, especially processed food. So try to eat as "clean" as possible.
If you can't pronounce the ingredients in the food item, is it food?

What he cannot say speaks volumes! Thanks for sharing this, BB.

Here's a find today that should tell you we are delving into the wrong areas of GE even though this has the potential to eliminate disease. I am worried more about what new diseases will be created than might be cured. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/04/glow-in-the-dark-beagle_n_918924.html