GMO dangers and animal miscarriages

[brownegger]

"Beartooth is correct, studies show no difference in the nutrient content between commercially grown crops and organic crops."

BTW it's Bear Foot! Who showed you the studies? What laboratory produced the study? Who funds the research? All very important and thought provoking questions. The true answers may be hard to find. The corporations own so many companies in guise, this makes it easy to dodge questions like this and overcome objections to ethics behind these studies. Were true scientific methods used in these studies? Were truthful findings published or were the results padded to maintain funding from a source demanding positive results for "substantial equivalence"? Who knows? Believe what you will but, logic has told me that things don't add up! A lot of money is spent to make things look like they add up!

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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I would not save seed back anyways! The corn we plant is a hybrid, if we save it back the subsequent plants won't yeild or have the traits we need to grow the crop we need.

The patent for Round Ready has expired so a farmer can now save seed with that trait in it. I don't intend to save seed regardless of GMO status, I prefer to purchase seed that has been selected for the traits I need on my farm and rely on my genetic suppliers to provide me with the latest improvements in seeds.

 

[BlackBart]

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Monsanto has gone as far as suing to prevent companies from labeling their food as NON-GMO. We can't get our food labeled as non gmo so no one really knows what they are eating unless they are growing it themselves or buying locally.

My beef with Monsanto is less about GMO and more about their efforts and methods that they use to force it on us.

This in not entirely true, Europe laws require labeling of GM food.

Chris

We don't live in Europe

 

[TheWaddler]

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Most of the so called "studies" that show all the "harmful" effects tend to be junk science and speculation, like Hubers report in the OP.

Reality is most people and most animals in the country have been eating these foods for many years and are still healthy.
Before GMO's they used even more dangerous pesticides and burned more fuel to produce the same amount of food.

Organic methods can no longer supply enough food

Take a look around this country, people are not healthy. More people than ever take medicine to stay alive and carry on even if the quality of life is poor. What is this notion that if it doesn't kill you overnight it can't be bad for you? Why does death even have to be the indicator as to anything being wrong? Birth defect rise doesn't count? Immune deficiency on the rise. So if it doesn't rot your stomach out this year then it must be something else? Not every thing that is bad for humans causes death. Why do many country's on the planet refuse to use GMO's except the great ol' US of A?? Probably because what you said, junk science and speculation. Monsanto stands by their claim that there is no proven health risk from eating GMO's. For hundreds of years we couldn't prove that germs caused illness....

And the greatest concern, why would a company push so hard to keep companies from putting non-GMO on their labels? Any other product sold in this country can compare themselves to their competitor and lay it on the line and say how they do things differently than them but for some reason in our food we can't make that distinction? The choice should be there for anyone that wants it.

As for organic methods no longer supplying enough food, that should be our greatest concern of all. We have outgrown our planets ability to naturally sustain our life, even with all the advancements in agriculture. There are way too many people, what happens when our chemicals and pesticides fail us? Even if they only fail for 1 year, how many people will have to die before we wake up. But that is a kind of accountability us Americans and many others around the world don't want to deal with.....what only 2 kids, and no giant gas hogging vehicles or 15,000 sq. ft homes for 2 people (of which I have built many in my time as a carpenter), that is insane. We can't see past the end of our noses for the greater good, just what we want is all that matters. America has 5% of the earths population but we consume 30% of the worlds goods, what will we do when they grow up and want their goods back?

 

[BlackBart]

Very good points made by TheWaddler

 

[brownegger]

Excellent links ChickenAl and +1 on the good points made by The Waddler! Have we got problems here, you bet! Can they be fixed? Over time, yes. Stay informed and vigilant to what is going on.

 

[FireTigeris]

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Most of the so called "studies" that show all the "harmful" effects tend to be junk science and speculation, like Hubers report in the OP.

Reality is most people and most animals in the country have been eating these foods for many years and are still healthy.
Before GMO's they used even more dangerous pesticides and burned more fuel to produce the same amount of food.

Organic methods can no longer supply enough food

Take a look around this country, people are not healthy. More people than ever take medicine to stay alive and carry on even if the quality of life is poor. What is this notion that if it doesn't kill you overnight it can't be bad for you? Why does death even have to be the indicator as to anything being wrong? Birth defect rise doesn't count? Immune deficiency on the rise. So if it doesn't rot your stomach out this year then it must be something else? Not every thing that is bad for humans causes death. Why do many country's on the planet refuse to use GMO's except the great ol' US of A?? Probably because what you said, junk science and speculation. Monsanto stands by their claim that there is no proven health risk from eating GMO's. For hundreds of years we couldn't prove that germs caused illness....

And the greatest concern, why would a company push so hard to keep companies from putting non-GMO on their labels? Any other product sold in this country can compare themselves to their competitor and lay it on the line and say how they do things differently than them but for some reason in our food we can't make that distinction? The choice should be there for anyone that wants it.

As for organic methods no longer supplying enough food, that should be our greatest concern of all. We have outgrown our planets ability to naturally sustain our life, even with all the advancements in agriculture. There are way too many people, what happens when our chemicals and pesticides fail us? Even if they only fail for 1 year, how many people will have to die before we wake up. But that is a kind of accountability us Americans and many others around the world don't want to deal with.....what only 2 kids, and no giant gas hogging vehicles or 15,000 sq. ft homes for 2 people (of which I have built many in my time as a carpenter), that is insane. We can't see past the end of our noses for the greater good, just what we want is all that matters. America has 5% of the earths population but we consume 30% of the worlds goods, what will we do when they grow up and want their goods back?

I'm still going to postulate that new methods in medicine allow the weak to survive- also better techniques of diagnosis- a couple hundred years ago very few people lived long enough to get cancer, a premature baby born was considered still-born if it had not taken its first meal before death... alot has changed, much of this before GMO's were introduced...

And lest not even get started on the lying Dr. and Autism... or how everybody these days gets a label- (ADD, ADHD, Asp, ASD, OHI, TBI, LD, SLD, BP, BPD, DSI etc etc) or anybody that isn't perfectly average and perfectly 'behaved' (by their definition of behave- IE "don't question anyone above you ever", "think inside the box" and practice saying "baa baa").

Not sure if there ARE more 'sick people' or just more 'whinny people', or just 'more people'...

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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IF the problems you and others claim are true, the American Farmer will make the changes necessary to meet the market's demand.

 

[Bear Foot Farm]

Take a look around this country, people are not healthy
More people than ever take medicine to stay alive and carry on even if the quality of life is poor.

They weren't all that healthy before GMO's came along either.
Life expectancy in 1900 was less than 47 years

Now it's over 75
That alone explains most of the disease problems

There are way too many people, what happens when our chemicals and pesticides fail us?

Let's try to stick to realistic scenarios​

 

[Cindy in PA]

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They weren't all that healthy before GMO's came along either.
Life expectancy in 1900 was less than 47 years

Now it's over 75
That alone explains most of the disease problems

There are way too many people, what happens when our chemicals and pesticides fail us?

Let's try to stick to realistic scenarios​

AGAIN, lack of life expectancy back then had a lot to do with epidemic diseases that had no antibiotics to cure them & no shots to prevent them. Also injuries & lack of available hospitals etc. played a part.