GMO dangers and animal miscarriages

[GhostRider65]

Oh How well I know your main stream healing works, NOT it kills more people than it cures, I lost my mom and dad, and 2 cousins treated with your methods, but on natural health, I saved my dog who had 3 months to live with cancer, my best friend and my neighbor. OH how I wish I would have woke up sooner, and could have saved my parents.

I don't disagree some medicine is actually good in emergencies, and antibiotics are wonderful if not over used and over prescribed, but most ailments have a cure naturally with no side effects and no future problems caused by untested over priced drugs that are given to supposedly help you, that will most likely be recalled next week like so many millions have already.
Just because your a nurse means nothing, it only means you are educated with the material they allowed you to be educated with, material written by big pharma, and her counter parts. Were some of your studies on natural health? probably not, were any of them on the reasons people get sick in the first place, probably not, or just how to treat sick people according to our government and big money. I know a few doctors who are taking a good hard look at just what crap they have been taught to believe. So there is still hope for the medical profession, if they have an open mind, and are caring and sincere enough, to actually look for answers they were not given.

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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Really? What do you use for your basis of this statement?

I think there is a place for Organic production in our food supply, but with the knowledge and methods we have now we can not rely on those methods to supply food for 7 billion people.

http://www.mosesorganic.org/attachments/research/07orgfeedworld.pdf
http://www.organicvalley.coop/fileadmin/pdf/organics_can_feed_world.pdf
http://www.twnside.org.sg/title2/susagri/susagri011.htm
http://www.ifoam.org/growing_organic/3_advocacy_lobbying/eng_leaflet_PDF/Global_Food_Supply.pdf
http://www.cnr.berkeley.edu/~christos/articles/cv_organic_farming.html
Just a few for you there's many many more to look through if you wish to educate yourself.

Nice try, but you fall short. Three of your references are based on the same research article conducted at the University of Michigan. That study has had so many holes shot through it with accusations ranging from fabrication of Organic data and deleting data from the datasets.

 

[Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay]

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WOW!

I now bow to your Expertise in medicine. If you truly saved your best friend and neighbor with a cure for cancer why haven't you shared this EARTH SHATTERING information with the rest of the world.

 

[kemclaughlin]

A huge part of the problem with these types of discussions is that people react on an emotional level with statements that cannot be backed up by good science. Any study that is funded by an interested party, like Monsanto doing their own tests, or the tobacco companies funding research, should automatically be taken with a grain of salt, if not completely thrown out. Getting upset by the scientific research and studies that people are quoting, is ridiculous. People can argue with it and disagree, but angry and emotional responses automatically discredit any statements you make during the argument.

Since we live in the U.S. and not Europe, I think we can still be annoyed at Monsanto for not allowing us the information to make informed choices regarding our food. We are feeding this stuff to our children. In fifty years, we may find that it's healthy and we were worried for nothing, or it may have killed off half of the Earth's population. That should not matter, we should still have the right to choose.

Any food that is a registered pesticide is suspect, in my opinion.

MRSA has been definitively tied to overuse of antibiotics. Nutrition certainly plays a part in weakened immune systems, but is certainly not the largest contributor to antibiotic resistant bacteria. Once someone has contracted these infections, nutrition and homeopathic remedies are not likely to cure them on their own.

Viruses are not and never have been curable by antibiotics. Viruses that can kill have been around for hundreds, possibly thousands of years. Some may be new, some may be manufactured, but it's a little ridiculous to postulate that viruses that can kill are new and have arrived suddenly.

I love hearing varying opinions and reading articles with new information, but it's hard to take it seriously when it's couched in insulting and condescending remarks.

 

[brownegger]

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Genetically engineered crops are not the answer, there is no factual data that represents a significant increase in crop yields. Nothing I have written was "made up", they are actual events taking place! I don't like having to worry about what's in the food I must buy! Unfortunately, I have every reason not to trust what the media and corporations tell me. Their studies are bogus, bravo to the folks in Europe who have stood up for what they believe is right! FYI, there are plenty of our food crops that have not been genetically modified! Selective breeding and genetic modification/engineering are worlds apart in likeness! Not even close there at all!! I realize what corn came from, many people don't! The fact remains with corn and other veggies that selective breeding was used over a course of many years to produce them. Genetic engineering (GE) actually implants gene codes from various organisms into the gene code of various commodity crops. There is nothing natural about that at all!

Stacykins,
Congrats on your training and nurses are a valuable part of our society. It was part of your training and the work of social media to discredit any value of Homeopathic Medicine. Who controls social media? The corporations! Who owns the hospitals, the pharmaceutical companies, laboratories, and sponsors of your medical training facilities? The corporations! It's BIG business and treating people is a multi-billion dollar industry! Homeopathic medicines are mostly from naturally occurring organisms. Naturally occurring organisms cannot be patented, therefore they must be synthesized and incorporated as finds to modern medicine! The synthesizing of drugs naturally found in plants or other organisms, has created drugs of poor value in relation to their natural counterparts. Why let the public believe homeopathic medicines are a good thing when you have the power, money, and motive not to let them believe it! Media: sitcoms, radio, news, etc. have all taken shots at anyone referring to homeopathic as a good thing. We are unknowingly programmed to believe all this crap logic! Yes, before it comes up....there are many quack doctors practicing poor homeopathic medicine. It is not regulated to the extent of modern practices because it is not taken seriously. The quacks out there unfortunately shed a poor light on it by their own doing. There are however many, extremely intelligent, caring, sane, and successful homeopathic physicians out there! Get your mind outside the box! Also, I don't have a problem with modern medicine other than the constantly arriving new drugs. Our surgeries, pain management, diagnostic tools, etc. are amazing additions to what we are always learning.

Okay, we're getting off topic...wake up people, we're in the rabbit hole!

 

[KenK]

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Then why do farmers pay Monsanto for the seed? If corporate farming is only in it for the money (which I don't doubt) why pay?

Just as a side note: have all the anti gmo folks checked their 401ks or other investment vehicles to be sure you don't "own" Monsanto or ADM etc.?

 

[brownegger]

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Then why do farmers pay Monsanto for the seed? If corporate farming is only in it for the money (which I don't doubt) why pay?

Just as a side note: have all the anti gmo folks checked their 401ks or other investment vehicles to be sure you don't "own" Monsanto or ADM etc.?

Because, they are sold on the "built in protection" that they believe is the "answer" according to what they've been told. Farmers are promised higher crop yields and returns based on the idea that less maintenance for the crop is necessary based on that "built in protection" which is supposed to save them money in the long run. Farmers pay because they have been sold on this concept and many honestly believe and hope they are doing the "greatest good for the greatest number". There is a catch to all of this glorified technology that comes with stiff tradeoffs that are beginning to be recognized (outlined in previous posts).

That is a good point about the investment portfolios! I am not invested in any large corporations or their subsidiaries. Check people, who has your money?

Also, Jim, the reason he has not shared his cancer cure findings is because there is no viable vehicle to spread this information without ridicule from the media and folks such as yourself who have bought into the idea that homeopathic medicine is all quack medicine! When the American Cancer Society had first opened its doors, they vowed they would only close their doors when cures for cancer had been discovered. The ACS now employs thousands of people and they are making billions off of treating symptoms and creating lengthy and costly treatments. A cure for cancer in a natural form would undermine their bottom line and put people out of work. If you're a business making billions of dollars, why would you allow anything about competitive and relatively unprofitable solutions to be heard? It is all again, quickly discredited as quack medicine.

I hope someone is gaining some knowledge and insight from all of this!

 

[Erica]

We could have fed the starving millions already, but haven't. The system that produces our food (and we're all part of it) just isn't interested in giving free food to the poor. In times of surplus food has never been distributed globally. Unless GM corporations make plants that can grow in arid areas or on extremely poor soils, there can be no GMO benefit to subsistence peoples in risky climates.

Instead, GMO producers are focusing on making crops that justify higher chemical inputs and, perhaps worst of all, they're setting themselves up as the only seed source. I can't help feeling GMO will lead to massively more global starvation, not less. How many subsistence farmers will have spare money to buy new seed in a hard year?

I agree with other posters, there's nothing to be gained by ridicule and scorn. Unfortunately I've often seen it employed to deter, tangle and shut down threads that might otherwise provide a healthy range of argument.

I don't trust the science on GMOs, as it's all corporate inflected. I don't trust every single anti-GMO argument but I do feel many open important questions that still aren't being answered satisfactorily.

 

[GhostRider65]

Lazy J Farms Feed & Hay :

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WOW!

I now bow to your Expertise in medicine. If you truly saved your best friend and neighbor with a cure for cancer why haven't you shared this EARTH SHATTERING information with the rest of the world.

Let me see, maybe because it isn't mine to give out, it totally belongs to mother nature and the guild of natural practitioners that use her science. I whole heartedly think for every illness there is a natural cure, that will not make you sicker than you already are. It also will vary with each person who is sick so no one person will get the same exact treatment as the last person, they are treated as an individual not a mass of symptoms. It will also depend totally on how sick you are, and how much your system is still fighting. So Sorry even if I knew one that worked the same for everyone, it isn't my science to give.
I forgot to mention in previous posts, the other half of the family lost to cancer and modern cancer treatments, or malpractice. My husband lost his sister to leukemia at 31 years young, leaving behind 4 small children and a husband, my DH's father died of lung cancer and treatment given to cure him, same with my mom the treatment is actually what killed her. My neighbor has been breast cancer free for 3 years now with natural medicine, (NOT prescribed by me), but the initial attempts to get her to go to the natural doctor and much literature on the subject was given by me. her cure belongs to the natural homeopathic doctor she used. Same with my 2 cousins who felt they had no other choice, but to try natural medicine, they had already went through extreme measures (amputated limbs, chemo, radiation) by main stream doctors to cure them. They were told to go home to die, because they couldn't do anymore for them...
Well they are still with us today no thanks to touted treatments which almost killed them initially , they are here almost 10 years later. The main stream gives a cure if your non cancer for 3 years many people do make it 3 years only to die from a new cancer probably cause by their treatment 4 years later, I don't call that a cure at all, I call it greed to rape you for everything you own and ever will own to pay huge bills to live a couple extra years just to die anyway leaving your family alone and destitute .
TO ME A cure means it should never come back. not next year or 3 or 5 or even 10 years later. With the right diet choices, natural health practitioners if you do get sick or are ailing, and a good attitude, and open mind, many many people would live a lot longer.​

 

[GhostRider65]

MRSA has been definitively tied to overuse of antibiotics. Nutrition certainly plays a part in weakened immune systems, but is certainly not the largest contributor to antibiotic resistant bacteria. Once someone has contracted these infections, nutrition and homeopathic remedies are not likely to cure them on their own.

That is totally not the case with my DIL, she had it since her early teens and was treated by main stream doctors until she married my son in 2007. she is now 26, After some research and an appointment with Jen her naturalist, appropriate medication and her last blood tests showed no MRSA. So she is living proof, their is indeed a natural cure.​