Help please! Hatching detached air cell

[ourrune]

Thank you for looking and trying to help!!!

So I got 8 rainbow eggs shipped (my first ever shipped eggs I'm hatching and I've only hatched a batch of local EEs once before and had %100 hatch rate with that, doing dry incubation) and I also got two cream legbars "locally" (hour and half away) to put in with the 8 shipped.

I keep all of the eggs laying on there side and have the metal wire pushed down in middle so I can aim the fat ends higher than the pointy ends.
out of the shipped eggs on day 7 only one was growing and moving around. Disappointing to say the least but expected as well. (Though I cracked them and most didn't even look fertile) However her air cell is detached and awe fully large. I've traced it and it hasn't much moved but it looks like sometimes she's swimming in part of it some of the time. Now I need to add that this has no pointy end it's a marans mix dark Brown black speckled egg kind of porous. She's obviously moving around its hard to see any membranes etc but it looks like the yolk and membranes that she's attached too moves pretty freely compared to that of my cream legbars which one is blue one is green and even harder to see through.
I put her in a styrofoam egg carton to hold her air cell up and thought I'd turn her from side to side to help with the air cell but the next morning I didn't see her moving anymore and thought she was dead but put her back anyways back laying naturally on her side and checked later (because it got too hot in there) and there she was moving around!

Is she just not likely to survive? I assume once she gets large enough she'll puncture her air cell or she'll just not grow correctly or she'll drown for some reason. I am wondering if anyone has experience in this or has ever hatched a chick with a detached air cell. The air cell actually doesn't move much but it seems it takes up almost half of the egg and it's oddly shaped.

Maybe I just can't see very well through it and I have no idea what's going on but I see a shrimp shaped figure with a black head floating around. I use a led flashlight with 800 lumens. It's hard to see red veining in a reddish egg.

Any suggestions on what I can do to try and keep her alive through this? I am luckily here to monitor almost all day every day. We are on day 9 now for her and day 10 or 11 for the legbars. Their air cell is perfect and all of their development as well.

Sorry so long I thought some of the variable info was important.

 

[Hybridchucks]

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[ChcknNurse]

Shipped eggs with detached air cells... definitely air cell up incubation, not lying on side. I'm concerned about your statement of it being too hot. What incubator are you using? Still/ Air ? Do you have backup thermometers? Hygrometer /Has it been tested?

If your air cell is large at this time, it can be improved. It will keep it from enlarging at a fast rate and allow the air cell to improve. For this, you would increase humidity. I have increased to about 45% to do this and it has worked very well (depends on size of air cell).

 

[BYC910]

If the eggs is as porous as you say it would explain the large air cell . Did you candle for cracks at set ?But small natural holes can also do the same . Try to turn the egg at least three times a day . if it's still alive on the 16th day stop turning . Hard to say what will happen . I wouldn't quit yet but I would contact the shipper and inform them of the lack of fertility. Then request a replacement batch of eggs .

 

[ChcknNurse]

If the eggs is as porous as you say it would explain the large air cell . Did you candle for cracks at set ?But small natural holes can also do the same . Try to turn the egg at least three times a day . if it's still alive on the 16th day stop turning . Hard to say what will happen . I wouldn't quit yet but I would contact the shipper and inform them of the lack of fertility. Then request a replacement batch of eggs .

My experience has been most won't do anything for infertility. I was even told that the eggs may have been xrayed in transit and lost the bullseye. It's total baloney.

 

[ourrune]

Shipped eggs with detached air cells... definitely air cell up incubation, not lying on side. I'm concerned about your statement of it being too hot. What incubator are you using? Still/ Air ? Do you have backup thermometers? Hygrometer /Has it been tested?

If your air cell is large at this time, it can be improved. It will keep it from enlarging at a fast rate and allow the air cell to improve. For this, you would increase humidity. I have increased to about 45% to do this and it has worked very well (depends on size of air cell).

Sometimes in the middle of the day when it gets hot outside it changes the temp up to 101 inside the bator. So I constantly have to baby it and when it gets too high like that I'm used to opening the lid to let out the heat but I'm unsure what to do now it should be lockdown day! I'm in middle of day 18 right now for the brown egg the blue and green are a day ahead. The last time I hatched eggs I had the bator sat inside of a mini fridge with the lid proped open and it kept the outside temp from fluctuating the inside temp.
I have a fan in there and I have one thermometer that is a node taped to the bator to be at the level of the top of the eggs and then I have a Vicks inside that tells me temp and humidity.

Im wondering because the lady told me she'd send me more eggs when I was ready;
Are you telling me that if I had turned up the humidty that the air cell would have shrunk? I kept it down for the other two eggs their shells are so thick the air cells for them arent where they should be for Day 18.

 

[ourrune]

If the eggs is as porous as you say it would explain the large air cell . Did you candle for cracks at set ?But small natural holes can also do the same . Try to turn the egg at least three times a day . if it's still alive on the 16th day stop turning . Hard to say what will happen . I wouldn't quit yet but I would contact the shipper and inform them of the lack of fertility. Then request a replacement batch of eggs .

Thank you! I did do that and she will send me a new batch when I'm ready! I read your reply too late and did not stop turning at Day 16 but I tried not turning her much just from side to side unless candled. I checked them all last night and I did not see any movement but I thought that could be because they're so big now there wouldn't be much movement?

I have one main question I'm in middle of day 18 I can't remembered last time if I locked down at beginning of day 18 or end of day 18 and the one with detached air cell one part of the cell dips lower than the other side should I face that side up? So far that's how I left all the eggs last night with the air cell dipped down the lowest facing up because the brown ones too big and he blue and green eggs cells are too small.

My last batch being 100% hatch rate I came into this confident but I am unsure if any will hatch now in a few days and I have no idea how to help a chick or if I should!

 

[ourrune]

Thanks for everyone's replies and help! If there are anymore tips I'd appreciate it!

 

[ChcknNurse]

Thank you! I did do that and she will send me a new batch when I'm ready! I read your reply too late and did not stop turning at Day 16 but I tried not turning her much just from side to side unless candled. I checked them all last night and I did not see any movement but I thought that could be because they're so big now there wouldn't be much movement?

I have one main question I'm in middle of day 18 I can't remembered last time if I locked down at beginning of day 18 or end of day 18 and the one with detached air cell one part of the cell dips lower than the other side should I face that side up? So far that's how I left all the eggs last night with the air cell dipped down the lowest facing up because the brown ones too big and he blue and green eggs cells are too small.

My last batch being 100% hatch rate I came into this confident but I am unsure if any will hatch now in a few days and I have no idea how to help a chick or if I should!

Did you post pics of your air cells?
Regarding when you locked down... start of day or end of 18, don't sweat that. I'd like to have an idea of the size of air cell if you are worried about it, because over the next couple days there will be a draw down. Therefore, if the air cell is at least decent, it may be enough to make it.

I just reread... the issue was the really large air cells. Since I have nothing to see, I can at least show you this horrible air cell that hatched without a problem. The lines are the remaining moving air cell.

As you can see, the orange lines show a saddle that dipped terribly. This chick hatched without a problem.

 

[ChcknNurse]

Just trying to give you hope... it can be rough when it's like that.