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[Q9]

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Made me laugh. There's debate over whether solar activity (sunspots and such) is having a notable effect. There's always the possibility - others have suggested interstellar radiation. Still can't quite get my mind around that one.

 

[chickened]

We have this stuff called gravity and wherever the water/ice goes it does not go into outer space but gets redistributed somewhere for someone else's benefit not necessarily yours or mine. This old earth will not wear out by God's timing me thinks.

 

[gamebirdsonly]

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[Dunkopf]

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There's no denying that there's some degree of warming. I actually did a massive research paper on the subject a while back - it was infuriating to research, as a lot of the data from each side were so contradictory that I had to conclude that one side or another is lying or using faulty equipment - mostly in regard to ice caps and the like. Conclusion of paper? Warming is real, definitely. But nothing particularly unusual or catastrophic. If mankind is having an impact at all, it's fairly minimal, and the warming would happen anyway. And I assure you, environmentalists were a significant source of information.

If it DOES turn out to be dangerous, all we can do is prepare. Both sides have good science on their side, but I have to conclude that the alarmists are blowing it way out of proportion. I'm sure their motives are fine, but they could really stand to tone down the end-of-the-world rhetoric.

Honestly, I think that if we must focus attention on environmental problems, it should mostly be on addressing desertification and similar problems that we can actually have an impact on.

Thank you Q. Instead of huffing and puffing about the causes of global warming you agree that the Earth is indeed warming. It is hard for me to wrap my head around the concept that as vast as our atmosphere is that carbon emissions caused by us would effect it so badly. However it may be true. A lot of learned people think so. It is easier to believe that it is just a world wide straw man designed to make certain groups and individuals rich.

At any rate all I have been saying is that global warming is real. It may be occurring because of sun activity. The additional carbon in our atmosphere is caused by us though and it is holding more water in areas where wind patterns allow it. The surface of the ocean is also warming although reason is up in the air on that one. That of course is contributing to our weather patterns. A couple degree rise in the temp of the ocean will melt enough of the ice caps to flood all the low lying coastal areas. We have many cities on the coast that would have large areas effected by this as well as salt water getting into their water storage.

So global warming is real. We can argue about why it's happening but it is happening.

 

[Dunkopf]

So lets try to agree on the fact that the Earth is warming. Instead of global warming we can call it Earth warming. Everyone seems to think that global warming can only be used when you are discussing SUV's. That's a result of the anti EPA movement, sponsored by people that have to spend money to keep our air breathable.

 

[I have WHAT in my yard?]

Social facts are those things that societies all agree are true. They become bedrock foundational ideas that form the way the people of a culture perceive the entire world around them.

Here in the United States we have the most amazing case: following WWII, governments and other entities that associated themselves with democracy eschewed propaganda - they still engaged in it, but they couldn't be overt about it. In the meantime, advertisers took everything propagandists like Edward Bernays had learned and used it happily. Up until the last 20 years this was OK through basic benign neglect. Now, it has become much more overt and malign. There is no conspiracy, it is all out in the open.

Whenever, information surfaces that contradicts what some major corporations want people to believe they don't hold back, they throw a great deal of money at convincing the general public of things that will cause the public to disbelieve the scientific evidence. And the world of academia is at fault as well. Academics came under extreme pressure to find donors and grant funding. As government grant funding for research dried up, the only way to get it was to get business to give it to you. But, business grants are often contingent upon results. Some academics, some academic institutions, sold their ivory tower imprimatur to the highest bidder. So science actually became suspect.

So now we have social "facts" that aren't facts at all. But, that is the amazing thing about science. It does not care what you believe. It will continue to behave as it wishes. Don't give one thought to global warming or climate change or whatever you want to call it - the grand global hoax. It will happen without your approval anyway.

And don't give one thought to saving the planet. People who say we need to save the planet crack me up. It's just fine and dandy. Humans may not make it, but the planet will be fine.

 

[aprophet]

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the warming and cooling cycles are well established ( many of which took place without modern industry) being as insignificant as we are there is very little we humans can do to change them go ahead and stop sun spots from happening HAHAHAHA the present global warning crisis is merely an opportunity for elitist's to scam someone LOLOL

 

[chickened]

Aprophet you are dead on about scams, every election cycle they tell the AARP folks and all who draw Social Security/Medicare that there are folks who will take away or cut thier benefits. After the election every time it is a non issue.

What in my backyard, I could not have said it better, the human mind can do some amazing things... for good or for bad, watch a good trial lawyer manipulate a group of people who cannot figure out how to get out of jury duty (or at least a few of them).

 

[rufus]

Durn it! All those years I have been telling the Sun City elitist that I was voting for a certain political party so that they would lose their Social Security checks, and it never happened.

Rufus

 

[Wifezilla]

the warming and cooling cycles are well established ( many of which took place without modern industry) being as insignificant as we are there is very little we humans can do to change them go ahead and stop sun spots from happening HAHAHAHA the present global warning crisis is merely an opportunity for elitist's to scam someone

Exactly. Alaska used to be a steamy swamp. Colorado used to be covered by an ocean. Canada and the upper part of the midwest was once under a glacier. Things change. As for the elitists scamming people....that was the plan...

"Global warming-inspired cap and trade has been one of the most stridently debated public policy controversies of the past 15 years. But it is dying a quiet death. In a little reported move, the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) announced on Oct. 21 that it will be ending carbon trading — the only purpose for which it was founded — this year.

Although the trading in carbon emissions credits was voluntary, the CCX was intended to be the hub of the mandatory carbon trading established by a cap-and-trade law, like the Waxman-Markey scheme passed by the House in June 2009.

At its founding in November 2000, it was estimated that the size of CCX’s carbon trading market could reach $500 billion. That estimate ballooned over the years to $10 trillion.

Al Capone tried to use Prohibition to muscle in on a piece of all the action in Chicago. The CCX’s backers wanted to use a new prohibition on carbon emissions to muscle in on a piece of, quite literally, all the action in the world.

The CCX was the brainchild of Northwestern University business professor Richard Sandor, who used $1.1 million in grants from the Chicago-based left-wing Joyce Foundation to launch the CCX. For his efforts, Time named Sandor as one of its Heroes of the Planet in 2002 and one of its Heroes of the Environment in 2007.

The CCX seemed to have a lock on success. Not only was a young Barack Obama a board member of the Joyce Foundation that funded the fledgling CCX, but over the years it attracted such big name climate investors as Goldman Sachs and Al Gore’s Generation Investment Management.

But a funny thing happened on the way to the CCX’s highly anticipated looting of taxpayers and consumers — cap-and-trade imploded following its high water mark of the House passage of the Waxman-Markey bill. With ongoing economic recession, Climategate, and the tea party movement, what once seemed like a certainty became anything but.

CCX’s panicked original investors bailed out this spring, unloading the dog and its across-the-pond cousin, the European Climate Exchange (ECX), for $600 million to the New York Stock Exchange-traded Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) — an electronic futures and derivatives platform based in Atlanta and London. (Luckier than the CCX, the ECX continues to exist thanks to the mandatory carbon caps of the Kyoto Protocol.)

The ECX may soon follow the CCX into oblivion, however — the Kyoto Protocol expires in 2012. No new international treaty is anywhere in sight.

While we don’t know how well Al Gore and Goldman Sachs fared on their investments in the CCX, we do know that there’s no reason to cry for Sandor. He received $98.5 million for his 16.5% stake in CCX when it was sold. Not bad for a failure that somebody else financed.

Incredibly (but not surprisingly), although thousands of news articles have been published about CCX by the lamestream media over the years, a Nexis search conducted a week after CCX’s announcement revealed no news articles published about its demise."
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/if-al-...fers-total-failure-does-the-msm-make-a-sound/​