Lavender-Based Leghorn Breeding & Improvement Discussion

[Brahma Chicken5000]

@ChicKat can you post the link to buy The Genetics of Chicken Colours - the basics by Sigrid Van Dort - David Hancox & Friends please?

 

[Kiki]

How did I find this?? It jumped on to my screen magically
This is the original PDF of the e-Locus chick diagrams.
https://www.genetics.org/content/genetics/40/4/519.full.pdf

I posted it above...lol.

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[ChicKat]

@ChicKat can you post the link to buy The Genetics of Chicken Colours - the basics by Sigrid Van Dort - David Hancox & Friends please?

http://www.chickencolours.com/
$94.95
Looks like I was wrong on the price. She does state that the book has been revised since the first 2009 copy with updated info.

Also found one for sale on the internet.
http://www.jerrysseramasllc.com/forsale.html
$135.00
Jerry says personally signed. so is mine BTW. I think she signs a LOT of them.

apparently there is a face book page, I don't do facebook so I'm zero help there. ETA - here's facebook link
https://www.facebook.com/chickencolours/

Looked on Amazon and saw no used copies for sale and looked on eBay and came up with none. Those two sources could lead to a used copy for less than the full retail price.

found this 'blog'
https://chickengenetics.wordpress.com/books/ Links back to the book sale site too.

This BYC thread.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/th...n-colours-the-basics-sigrid-van-dort.1141837/

ETA - one more possible lead:
whoops scratch that -- it says no eBook available.
ETA 2 Looks like one was once forsale in the Buy-sell-trade of BYC but the listing seems gone
https://www.backyardchickens.com/threads/genetics-of-chicken-colours-the-basics-out-of-print.317236/

 

[ChicKat]

I posted it above...lol.

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Thank you -- somehow I missed your post. Great minds think alike etc.

 

[Tbird84]

Or we can always ask the Moonshiner because he files all this stuff in his head. For my part I always have to look it up---even if I once knew it.

 

[ChicKat]

This picture is from "Scratch Cradle" website. She also has a lot of good genetic information --including shank color and egg color: You can go to her website using this:
https://scratchcradle.wordpress.com/2012/04/01/hatching-this-week-brown-leghorns/

This guy is a beauty. The Mahogany saddle feathers and wing triangle and the bright neck-hackles show a lot of autosomal red. His color intensity would make him a good out-cross for anyone who wanted to reinforce color in an Isabel line IMO. It would then put you 1 generation away from your target chicks -- becacuse paired with an Isabella all his chicks would be split for lav.
Look at his very regular comb, reasonable sized wattles, bright white earlobes and very yellow legs.


Were I to find a beauty like this, with his chicks paired with a LPID-B2 female, I'd be 1 generation away from my desired birds for the females -- because all my females will pass barring gene to their young. So some chicks from his pairing --then those females bred back to LPID-B2 male would be what I want....but any males could be 2 or three generations away -- because those males would have to be paired back to barred females --- to have some of them get double barring. It would be a matter of statistics... When that fork in the road comes -- I will go to Henk's chicken calculator and get percentages.
Also, rather than raise brown leghorns -- I'd rather obtain one from a brown leghorn breeder who would specialize in them. Since I've abandoned blue eggs, I think that the chicks would mostly have tinted eggs......
Nothing beats counting your chickens before the birds are even on the ground right?

ETA I think according to sigrid's chart he is s+/s+ and Ar+/Ar+ for color -- and based on his clear wing bar and triangle e+/e+ for a true duckwing. So IMO that makes him a pure 'wild type'...like gallus gallus the jungle fowl in coloration.

 

[Tbird84]

This picture is from "Scratch Cradle" website. She also has a lot of good genetic information --including shank color and egg color: You can go to her website using this:
https://scratchcradle.wordpress.com/2012/04/01/hatching-this-week-brown-leghorns/

This guy is a beauty. The Mahogany saddle feathers and wing triangle and the bright neck-hackles show a lot of autosomal red. His color intensity would make him a good out-cross for anyone who wanted to reinforce color in an Isabel line IMO. It would then put you 1 generation away from your target chicks -- becacuse paired with an Isabella all his chicks would be split for lav.
Look at his very regular comb, reasonable sized wattles, bright white earlobes and very yellow legs.


Were I to find a beauty like this, with his chicks paired with a LPID-B2 female, I'd be 1 generation away from my desired birds for the females -- because all my females will pass barring gene to their young. So some chicks from his pairing --then those females bred back to LPID-B2 male would be what I want....but any males could be 2 or three generations away -- because those males would have to be paired back to barred females --- to have some of them get double barring. It would be a matter of statistics... When that fork in the road comes -- I will go to Henk's chicken calculator and get percentages.
Also, rather than raise brown leghorns -- I'd rather obtain one from a brown leghorn breeder who would specialize in them. Since I've abandoned blue eggs, I think that the chicks would mostly have tinted eggs......
Nothing beats counting your chickens before the birds are even on the ground right?

ETA I think according to sigrid's chart he is s+/s+ and Ar+/Ar+ for color -- and based on his clear wing bar and triangle e+/e+ for a true duckwing. So IMO that makes him a pure 'wild type'...like gallus gallus the jungle fowl in coloration.

He is a gorgeous fellow. I would certainly find room for a boy like that. Off color subject, I really really would like to have columbian Leghorns someday as well....that may be another thread.

 

[Brahma Chicken5000]

He is a gorgeous fellow. I would certainly find room for a boy like that. Off color subject, I really really would like to have columbian Leghorns someday as well....that may be another thread.

I think someone on the Moonshiner’s thread has Columbian Leghorns in the US.

 

[Tbird84]

I believe you are right. Have to chisel my numbers down a bit here though.

 

[Jac Jac]

AHA!!! That answers the question that popped into my mind. The neck-hackles and wing triangle of that male have a more intense saturation than most...and that 'sunset' color really appeals to me.

So I'm hearing a couple of things: --

• How to intensify the lavender,
• Mahogany is probably the source of a more vivid straw

Thanks guys -- I've learned stuff already and this thread is not even 24-hours old.

Me too. I have a couple of lavender Orpingtons here (in GA). They are huge, young, docile, curious, eggless wonders, even with dietary oyster shells added (- no problem considering them molting and the erratic season change,next Spring will be fine for them to start). I love my flock of cuties.