Mabel's Broody Adventure ENDS

[cherylcohen]

Well the update, yes she had some scrambled eggs and I took her out front for some "exercise" and she walked about a total of 15 feet, limping the whole time on her left side, wing sometimes tucked in but most of the time it was droopy and falling on her side twice, but better than yesterday. I think even though it's not advisable, I'm going to exercise her 3-4 times a day. She's not off the nest long, the room is warm that she's in so the eggs won't get cold and she doesn't mind me holding her at all. She's such a love

I'll continue in that manner and continue the vitamin E, I think I'm going to add the selenium as that's supposed to help with neve damage...do you agree?

 

[Bock_Bock]

if needed i have my incubator you can borrow, it is just the basic hovabator no fan no turner, but you are welcome to borrow it if needed im not using it right now i still got like 25 9 week old chicks in my bedroom lol just let me know

 

[cherylcohen]

got an incubator, I'm set thanks everyone....now I really will need some help!

 

[Nifty-Chicken]

Cheryl, it sure was great to see you! So sorry that I had to step out and couldn't visit more... it's hard to have only one car working and Emily's dad came by to see if he could help us get it running.

How about we schedule a visit when your new flock hatches?

 

[bargain]

Wow, Nifty that was so great you could help with an incubator.....

Cheryll, we're all here to help you!

 

[cherylcohen]

Mabel and I are so lucky. Well the bator is heating up, gotta read the chicken bible, backyard chicken for dummies, to figure out what I do next.

Mabel is still on all 14 till bator is ready...poor thing still limping on left side and wing hanging down

Anyone want to give an opinion about about the selenium when I give her the Vitamin E tomorrow am.

 

[bargain]

Careful with the selineum.
Selenium has some rather interesting nutritional roles. It is essential in very small amounts for the health of both plants and animals. Animals that do not have enough selenium in their diets may develop weak muscles. But large doses of selenium are dangerous. In some parts of California, for example, selenium has been dissolved out of the soil by irrigation systems. Lakes accumulate unusually high levels of selenium and birds and fish in the area develop health problems.

A serious selenium problem occurred at the Kesterson Reservoir in Northern California. In the Late 1970s, scientists found that birds nesting in the reservoir were developing genetic deformities. They traced the problem to high levels of selenium in the water. A large artificial lake was built and the birds were moved to the artificial lake. They were no longer allowed to nest in the dangerous waters of the reservoir

Read more: http://www.chemistryexplained.com/elements/P-T/Selenium.html#ixzz0he7r4NH7

or here:
http://greatlakesecho.org/2009/12/1...ok-for-this-toxic-contaminant-in-their-waste/

If you find any information on dosing, please do share with me.

We give our milk goats selineum in amounts prescribed by their weight. since our area is very selineum deficient...I have no idea on poultry dosing amounts for selineum. I'll search Merck Bet. Manual and see what I can find there.

Have a blessed evening.

 

[bargain]

Wow, I'm glad I bought that manual,,,,
Here's a quote, even in the presence of adequate levels of vitamine E, poultry rations must contain.15 to .2mg of selenium per kilogram of feed. As little as 8 to 10mg/kg is toxic to poultry

I'm working from the 5th edition of Merck's veterinary manual, fyi.

Now, I'm also quoting that "in many countries it is now legal to add selenium to starter and grower diets. In most cases .1 ppm is permitted in chicken diets and .2ppm in turkey diets. The forms of selenium commonly used are sodium selenate and sodeium selnite. Feeds grown on high selenium soils are good sources of selenium and may be used in poultry rations in order to supply a source of selenium. Fish meal and dried brewer's yeast are also good sources. There is a considerable variation in availabilit of selenium in different feedstuffs.

All this being said, my personal advice, check for trace elements section of your feed. I believe your area might be targetted for selenium deficiency based on the news article I forwarded earlier, If so, anything grown in your area may not provide much selenium, but you should check to see if your area is selenium deficient....Also check for the presence of fish meal/brewer's yeast in your feed....."

If that's there, then even if your tag may not show selenium perse, you're getting some selenium, so be very careful, because all of this adds up and you don't want to administer too much selenium.

 

[cherylcohen]

from DLunicorn

P R I C K open a human vitE pill (anything more than 400 IU will not be absorbed by the bird without added selenium > if you get the vitE/selenium combo tabs be sure the amount of selenium does NOT exceed 50 MICROgrams per tab as selenium has a very narrow therapeutic range). Give the contents of one tab once a day for max three days and then see if there is any improvement.

 

[bargain]

MMMM....I'm just quoting the Merck Vet manual where it say As little as 8 to 10mg/kg is toxic to poultry


That 50 mg just makes me nervous. Could it be a typo and meant to be 5 mg?

Oh by the way, here's the map for us of selenium deficiencies.

http://tin.er.usgs.gov/geochem/doc/averages/se/usa.html

Cheryll, I'm not knowledge about Dlunicorn but I'll go with the merck veterinary manual on the selineum unless dlunicorn is a veterinarian and a recent one, after this manual was published.

It's just so easy to od on selenium .....for both birds and goats....We got that warning loud and clear when we had to weigh and then weigh again our goats and then custom make their capsules for bolusing for each goat according to their precise weight.

My goodness, when I sold those eggs to you and said I'd be glad to be a broody helper I didn't realize it could get so complex.....I hope those ss eggs make it on through..

I'm calling it in for the day, it's 11:00 pm in GA, and up at 4:00 .....it's time for this farmer to rest.
Love and hugs and prayers