New birds, not experienced.

Clinical Findings of ILT: (merck veterinary manual)


In the acute form, gasping, coughing, rattling, and extension of the neck during inspiration are seen 5–12 days after natural exposure. Reduced productivity is a varying factor in laying flocks. Affected birds are anorectic and inactive. The mouth and beak may be bloodstained from the tracheal exudate. Mortality varies but may reach 50% in adults and is usually due to occlusion of the trachea by hemorrhage or exudate. Signs usually subside after ~2 wk, although some birds may show signs for longer periods. Strains of low virulence produce little or no mortality with mild respiratory signs and a slight decrease in egg production.

After recovery, birds remain carriers for life and become a source of infection for susceptible birds. The latent virus can be reactivated under stressful conditions. Infection also may be spread mechanically. Several epidemics have been traced to the transport of birds in contaminated crates, and the practice of litter spread in pastures is believed to be related to epidemics of the disease.

Mycoplasma Gallisepticum (MG) from Poultry DVM

The most common signs of MG infection in chickens are coughing, loud breathing noises, watery eyes, and swollen sinuses. Chickens with MG infection often show signs associated with the respiratory system, which include mild tracheitis (coughing, abnormal respiratory noses, difficulty breathing), sinusitis (facial swelling, nasal discharge), airsacculitis and conjunctivitis (eye discharge, swelling around the eyes). The facial swelling is primarily concentrated around and just below the bird's eyes. The swelling is the result of pus accumulation in the bird's sinuses located in the area under the eyes. They can sometimes be so severe, that the chicken is unable to open their eyes and see. If left without treatment, the bird can permanently lose their eyesight as a result.

See more at: http://www.poultrydvm.com/condition/mycoplasma-gallisepticum

Clinical Signs of infectious coryza from UK extension agency
Typical signs of coryza include the following:

  • Swelling around the face
  • Foul-smelling, thick and sticky discharge from the nostrils and eyes
  • Labored breathing
  • Rales
In addition, the eyelids of an infected bird can become irritated and might stick together. Diarrhea may occur. Growing birds may become stunted. Infection can decrease egg production and increase the incidence and/or severity of secondary infections.

Mortality can be as high as 50%, but 20% is more common. The disease can last as little as a few days or as long as a few months, particularly when secondary infections occur.
 
I don't intend to give any away unless I clinically diagnosed the problem and it was not a carrier to the person who was concerned about that. Thanks to everyone again. If I get a for sure answer I will post for future users.
 
Holy....Not sure why everyone has your birds dying or on deaths door...Sorry, they are Chickens and I don't feel as you probably do...I do have compassion for people and animals.....best wishes...

No one has the birds dying or on death's door, but trying to help the poster on what might be happening with their chickens. Just was posting the symptoms of the 3 or more possible or most likely diseases and symptoms for Rachel to read. We all agree on closing the flock to new birds or for birds going out being a good practice. We are all here to offer our opinions. Every opinion can be considered, and the OP can decide for themselves.
 
I don't see where anyone has these birds dying or on death's door. Rachael posted about her birds on a forum - she has gotten various opinions and viewpoints. It's ultimately up to her to determine what is best for her birds, her current situation and to consider the impact that an illness may have on her future flock(s) and chicken keeping goals. She has expressed a desire to NOT keep a closed flock - the only way to know for sure what she is dealing with is to have testing performed. Depending on what it is, culling and starting over may make sense for her circumstances. A lot of people choose to keep closed flocks and that's great, but it's not for everyone.

I am the one that asked for the photos and video, so yeah - sometimes seeing if there is facial swelling, whether there is clear or yellow thick mucous from the nostrils, watery/bubbly or pus filled eyes and hearing and seeing what the birds sound and act like may give a clue. I can only go by what has been reported- birds showed symptoms in about 3days - the old flock is showing symptoms by around the 4th day - there is also mention of a foul odor, but is not sure exactly where that's coming from. Infectious Coryza and Infectious Bronchitis both have a general incubation of 1-3days and spreads rapidly. So considering the information given - these 2 illnesses would be my first inclination. I would also use the antibiotics prescribed by the vet, even though the visit was somewhat disappointing.

Most all respiratory illnesses have very similar symptoms, so without testing, it's hard to know. It could also be Mycoplasma, ILT or any combination - sometimes one is the primary and another illness complicates it further. Hopefully the state labs will be able to do some testing for you and you will be able to get some definitive answers to help you move forward.

Common Poultry Diseases
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ps044

Kentucky State Labs
http://vdl.uky.edu/
https://breathitt.murraystate.edu/

Ohio State Lab
http://www.ohioagriculture.gov/addl/

West Virginia State Lab
http://www.agriculture.wv.gov/divisions/animalhealth/Pages/default.aspx
 
I don't see where anyone has these birds dying or on death's door. Rachael posted about her birds on a forum - she has gotten various opinions and viewpoints. It's ultimately up to her to determine what is best for her birds, her current situation and to consider the impact that an illness may have on her future flock(s) and chicken keeping goals. She has expressed a desire to NOT keep a closed flock - the only way to know for sure what she is dealing with is to have testing performed. Depending on what it is, culling and starting over may make sense for her circumstances. A lot of people choose to keep closed flocks and that's great, but it's not for everyone.

I am the one that asked for the photos and video, so yeah - sometimes seeing if there is facial swelling, whether there is clear or yellow thick mucous from the nostrils, watery/bubbly or pus filled eyes and hearing and seeing what the birds sound and act like may give a clue. I can only go by what has been reported- birds showed symptoms in about 3days - the old flock is showing symptoms by around the 4th day - there is also mention of a foul odor, but is not sure exactly where that's coming from. Infectious Coryza and Infectious Bronchitis both have a general incubation of 1-3days and spreads rapidly. So considering the information given - these 2 illnesses would be my first inclination. I would also use the antibiotics prescribed by the vet, even though the visit was somewhat disappointing.

Most all respiratory illnesses have very similar symptoms, so without testing, it's hard to know. It could also be Mycoplasma, ILT or any combination - sometimes one is the primary and another illness complicates it further. Hopefully the state labs will be able to do some testing for you and you will be able to get some definitive answers to help you move forward.

Common Poultry Diseases
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ps044

Kentucky State Labs
http://vdl.uky.edu/
https://breathitt.murraystate.edu/

Ohio State Lab
http://www.ohioagriculture.gov/addl/

West Virginia State Lab
http://www.agriculture.wv.gov/divisions/animalhealth/Pages/default.aspx
Thanks to you and others. Really appreciate all the info.
 
Thanks to you and others. Really appreciate all the info.

Rachael, I'm so sorry you are having to go through this. It must be heartbreaking -- I know I would feel the same. I hope the illness is resolved soon.

This is just my chicken newbie opinion, feel free to correct me if I'm out of line:

I think this a good example of why all new birds (and other animals too) should be quarantined for a time before introducing them to your flock. As a newbie I do not know what the recommended quarantine time should be, but I would say a minimum of 1 to 2 weeks. The quarantine area should be as far away from your existing animals as possible -- use your bathroom if necessary. Keep stresses of any kind to a minimum. Keep in mind that some things can be carried on your hands, shoes and clothing.

That said, what disinfection routine/products can you recommend using -- especially for wooden structures (chicken house/nest boxes) and for outdoor run areas?

Lisa -- taking notes for future reference
 
My flock went through a similar respiratory problem a while back. It lasted about 1-2 weeks but was gone after I used VetRx in their water. Scrambled eggs with oregano might be good too. My problem might not have been the same as yours is, though.
 
I live pretty close to you, and you are near enough to Ohio state vet as well as the KY state vet. A necropsy can be a good way to get testing. Refrigerate the body, but don't freeze. Some poultry labs will euthanize at no extra cost, or do 2 or 3 birds for one price. I really hope you don't have to put any down, but this is just info on how to get testing. Your county extension agent may be able to help with testing a live bird or a few. These 2 links give contact info for Kentucky necropsy labs and the state vet, in case you have one or two deaths and need to get one:
http://www.metzerfarms.com/PoultryLabs.cfm
https://www.heritageacresmarket.com/blogs/misc/necropsy-list
 

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