What I know is there are a number of vet conferences coming up where this incentive will be a prime topic. I believe I have the one in FL Jan being participated in by a major breeder that lives in the area. Hoping to get them speaking at the conf. or at least bringing up concerns on the floor. There is another in Vegas in Feb still working on getting that one covered. I know there will be a great deal of scrutiny and oversight, at least initially, on vet practices so getting cooperation from vets may be an issue. Can't blame them for protecting their licenses. I know when I had a necropsy done and 3 types of worms I had no clue were an issue in my flock were found - the State Vet where I had this done recommended Fenben and Safe-guard Goat wormer (which dosen't treat tapes) and had never heard of Valbazen which does. He also advocated Oregano use for general health. Holistics are not without merit - but documentation from reliable sources is harder to come by - and the quacks abound (Don't get me started on DE as a wormer again), As far as expiration dates, there is supposed to have been a confidential study done by the military to find out what the REAL shelf life of medications are. There was a nurse who leaked some of the info found - so yes, part of expiration dates is a gimmick to move more product. Safe to assume some do break down faster than others and the possibility of becoming dangerous or at least harmful could be present. Read labels. Call or write manufacturers. They have answers. I did include a link for the FDA's list of drugs affected, dunno if you've had time to look through it all. I was given access to the RX data base commonly used for vet meds - it contains some 6,000 products along with listing species for authorized use. So I have the ability to dig through for products, search by compound, search by species etc on it. And of course I started with the most commonly used for poultry meds I'm aware of - which is where my table came from listing on and off label species for those meds. So when I say the manufacturers have no idea of how their previously OTC were really being used or how extensively, the guy relating this to me heard it directly out of the mouths of the CEOs/Presidents themselves. And yes, I've also written to the FDA and AG Depts. For those that go the all natural route. Great. Lot to be said for that. I started out that way myself. Then I educated myself. There really is no getting around the need for wormers. Preventatives will only go so far. Poultry have worms. 9 varieties of cocci - they are everywhere, pretty much no getting away from it. When, not if, when a virus, bacteria or parasite hits your flock it becomes a case of treat quickly and appropriately or they die (at least a great percentage). Breeding for resistance with an estimated 95% of backyard flocks have MS/MG/CRD or something along those lines (again not here to argue the exact %) it's prevelant, breeding for resistance is not going to save someones beloved pet struggling with it. Bio-security goes a long way towards keeping the nasteys away but few really fully practice it. Even major hatcheries take the breed for resistance approach and feel a disservice to customers were they to send out "clean" birds. But again, I'm not here to say any one approach is the answer for all. Animal husbandry and management is about making those choices for yourself. Informed is always a good thing tho. So as far as who I am, I'm just another hobbiest/breeder wanting the best care for my animals/birds with the same bugetary constrictions. concerns and vet access/training issues as most of the rest of you. The difference is research and designing systems is what I did for a living, govt compliance and regulatory oversight are familiar territory. And too, I've self vetted multiple species as a breeder for 25 years. My concern is our animals will suffer with the gap between what has been and what needs to be because of this far reaching change. There's no question there has been abuse with ready access to vet OTCs or damage done with incorrect information tossed around on the internet by the well intentioned but misinformed. Getting from one point to the other, facilitating the transition with the least harm to our pets and livestock is what I am trying to help with here. I don't have all the answers, heck, I'm sure I don't even know all the questions! But channeling information as a bridge is what I can do and is what I am trying to accomplish.