Please Help, Venus has a huge lump between her legs.

Discussion in 'Emergencies / Diseases / Injuries and Cures' started by Smitty's Farm, Feb 25, 2009.

  1. Smitty's Farm

    Smitty's Farm Chillin' With My Peeps

    Aug 24, 2007
    St Clair County, Il
    My sweet RIR, Venus has a huge lump between her legs.

    She is a hatchery chick that I've raised since she was a day old and she will be 2 yrs old in April.

    The flock eats Purina Layena crumbles & Purina Flock raiser crumbles. Most the time they have free choice oyster shell & most evening they will get black oiled sunflower treats before bedtime, but not every night. They don't get cracked corn unless the weather is extreme and will get some before bed time.

    They were getting avian charge in their water this fall to help older girls boost immunity during their molt, but I've been out for several months and keep forgetting to order more.

    They are housed in a coop w/ a connected run of 20' x 14'. They get free range time in the late afternoon on some evening before bedtime.

    I'm not sure if she has even been laying or not anyway. When the older girls were molting I'd only get 2-4 eggs from them a day out of 14 layers. Then this Dec I combined my other pullets with the older flock, so hard to know who is laying. From the looks of it I still only get 2-4 big eggs and the rest are pullet ones from the new girls.

    I knew Sun. Venus didn't feel well when she didn't want to run to freedom for her afternoon forage time. It was a beautiful day and she was in the corner of the run with that I don't feel so good ruffled look and her bottom was messy. I was worried b/c I've seen that look before when I lost another RIR, Rosemary to internal laying this past fall.

    So Sun night when I brought Venus inside to give her the warm bath is when I noticed the large lump between her legs. I massaged it as she took her bath, but can not feel an egg. I didn't even notice it when I first picked her up to check her vent b/c her feathers were covering it. I guess I need to pick up all my chickens more often, but my RIR's are not my cuddliest ones. The swelling is different that what Rosemary had. I gave her a second warm bath and blow dried her and put her in a cat carrier my dark quiet basement for the night.

    Mon I decided to put her on a protective heating pad w/ heat above her in a dark quite corner in my basement.

    I've been offering her cooked egg yoke, feed, vit water. She has been eating & drinking. I finally found some electrolytes, so she'll get that today to.

    She is feeling much better, more mobile and doesn't want the heat any more. She wanted to share my toco last night, so I knew that she was feeling better.

    She is getting antsy, but still hasn't expressed an egg and still has the lump. I don't think she is egg bound unless it is a soft shell one or another case of internal laying. I don't feel a thing when I touch it. I called the Mo extension and they didn't offer much more suggestions than what I'm doing already.

    When doing a search I ran across a post that Ruth has to drain one of her chickens fluid sometime, so I PMed her.

    Please if anyone can shed some light what Venus has or what my next step should be I'd appreciate it.

    Sorry soooo long!

    Here's some pics.

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  2. Laskaland

    Laskaland ThE gRoOvY cHiCkEn

    Aug 2, 2008
    Nebraska
    Oh honey! I'm sorry you are having this issue. Could you PM Speckledhen and ask if Cyn thinks your Venus is eggbound? I'm not an expert with this, but I would guess that is Venus' dillemma...

    You could also do a search on BYC for "eggbound" I know there is a lot of info available.

    Best of Luck!!
     
  3. SpottedCrow

    SpottedCrow Flock Goddess

    She doesn't look eggbound to me, but she could be an internal layer.
     
  4. MoodyChicken

    MoodyChicken Chillin' With My Peeps

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    Looks to me like she has a bubble butt! I have a RIR hen like that too, she's had it for a year now and she's fine. Your hen looks otherwise fine. Does the lump feel flabby or fatty? I think it's some kind of cyst on the reproductive tract or a tumor just below the skin. She'll likely lose the feathers there (pressure on the follicle makes it difficult for feathers to grow), and it probably won't ever go away. You can give her Metacam (prescription only) or other antiinflamatories to possibly reduce its size.

    That's not eggbinding though. It's too low.
     
  5. Smitty's Farm

    Smitty's Farm Chillin' With My Peeps

    Aug 24, 2007
    St Clair County, Il
    Quote:Thanks Laskaland. Egg bound was my first guess, but it feel different than egg bound issues I've had in the past. I'm giving her supportive care like it's an egg bound case, but this just feel different. Unless....it's soft shell case?????
     
  6. Mrs MIA

    Mrs MIA Chick Magnet

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    I love that last photo... "How DARE you take a photo of me in this state?!?" [​IMG]

    But yeah, I hate to say it, but she sounds like she might be an internal layer. Other than surgery, I don't know that there's really anything you can do for her... [​IMG]
     
  7. Laskaland

    Laskaland ThE gRoOvY cHiCkEn

    Aug 2, 2008
    Nebraska
    If it feels like a fatty thing, like if you push on it and it's flubby, maybe it's just a cyst? That won't hurt her, but I would think she would still be laying at least occasionally? I don't think RIR are typical internal layers are they? I mean they are higher production birds, just by their breed, but not like a Red Star or Cinnamon Queen or the specialized layers?
    I HOPE YOU FIGURE THIS OUT! She is so pretty [​IMG]
    HUGS AND GOOD LUCK
     
  8. Smitty's Farm

    Smitty's Farm Chillin' With My Peeps

    Aug 24, 2007
    St Clair County, Il
    Thanks Spotted Cow & Moody Chicken!!!

    From my searches that is what I'm trying to figure out if she is an internal layer or the bubble, balloon bottom.

    The Mo. extension office's poultry specialist says that when they get cysts or tumors it is usually incorporated into an organ, so it won't feel like a typical hard mass like you find on us or even our pet dogs.

    It's like a large squishy ball.
     
  9. Smitty's Farm

    Smitty's Farm Chillin' With My Peeps

    Aug 24, 2007
    St Clair County, Il
    Mrs. AK-Bird-Brain :

    I love that last photo... "How DARE you take a photo of me in this state?!?" [​IMG]

    But yeah, I hate to say it, but she sounds like she might be an internal layer. Other than surgery, I don't know that there's really anything you can do for her... [​IMG]

    She wasn't to happy and would stay still for the photo. Internal layer is one of my fears. I wonder if there is any way to tell without having to operate????​
     
  10. Mrs MIA

    Mrs MIA Chick Magnet

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    Can you separate her to see if she's still laying?
     

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