Roaming Dogs coming in and killing yesterday

[cleoandtheflock]

I live in Panama. It's a death sentence to a dog that kills livestock, EVEN IF that livestock is chickens or guineas. Once a dog gets a taste of the kill, they'll not stop, and folks around these parts know it and deal with it appropriately. And for those whining about misdemeanor to kill THEIR pet dog... what about YOUR PET GUINEAS?

You sure said it right!

 

[pntdhorses]

This is the Kansas State Law:

Domestic animal shall include any equine or bovine animal, goat, sheep, swine, dog, cat, poultry, or other domesticated beast or bird." ARTICLE 6. PROTECTION OF DOMESTIC ANIMALS. SHEEP, CATTLE OR HOGS. 47-645. Liability of owner of dog for damages. If any dog shall kill, wound or worry any domestic animal the owners of such dog shall be liable to the owner of such animal for all damages that may be sustained, thereby to be recovered by the parties so injured before any court having competent jurisdiction. History: G.S. 1868, ch. 105, § 44; L. 1911, ch. 313, § 1; May 22; R.S. 1923, 47-645. 47-646. Killing dog lawful, when. It shall be lawful for any person at any time to kill any dog which may be found injuring or attempting to injure any livestock as defined in K.S.A. 47-1001, and amendments thereto. History: G.S. 1868, ch. 105, § 45; R.S. 1923, 47-646; L. 1947, ch. 303, § 2; L. 1996, ch. 90, § 8; July 1.

There is obviously a reason for this law and I’m glad it protects my rights as a Farm Owner.

Thank you all for your support and suggestions. Now I can kind of forget the ignorance of what appears to be a lot of my neighbors.

 

[Willowspirit]

The BB gun is not a solution. Shooting anything to wound is considered animal cruelty. So (sadly) is the paint ball gun.

 

[MomJones]

Oh, not according to these people. They said that they know my name and that I have publicly declared to shoot someone’s pets, which kind of sounded like some sort of veiled threat against me.

These neighbors sound really unbalanced. Wow...

 

[Henriettamom919]

My dad had to shoot his own dog because it was mauling our pitbull mix literally to death. We tried putting a running hose down his mouth, hitting him with hard objects, calming him, nothing was working and he would not let go.

It was awful. I'd definitely defend your flock but maybe get a good bb gun or rubber bullets?

I'm so sorry for your loss and totally understand your frustration. I'm totally with you and hope you don't HAVE to kill any dogs but totally understand if it comes down to your birds on your land you'll do what you have to.

 

[Peepsi]

So, one of my biggest fears came true yesterday. Two dogs that almost looked coyote like but had collars on came through and attacked my two guineas. Luckily it was raining so none of my chickens were out free ranging or I’m sure it would have been a slaughter. The guineas were out because they hate being contained and roam the area looking for ticks.

The dogs killed one and badly injured the other. He must have been able to escape to a tree. But he was badly mauled. So far he is okay...I tried my best to treat his wounds and he’s in a quiet place in the house.

So I belong to this “Nextdoor” app that lets you post and converse with all people on it within a 4 mile or so radius of your home. I posted a description of the dogs and asked if anyone might have seen them or know the owner. I said that I will shoot them if they come back on my property looking to kill more of my animals.

OMG....you would have thought I threatened to kill someone’s child. Everybody was up in arms saying I was hateful, that it was a misdemeanor to kill someone’s beloved pets. I had one lady go so far as to tell me that I was a bad “mom” and shouldn’t be allowed to have animals.

Trying to explain that I had every right to protect my property and my animals completely fell on deaf ears. And I do have every right. Kansas State Law states:
47-646. Killing dog lawful, when.
It shall be lawful for any person at any time to kill any dog which may be found injuring or attempting to injure any livestock as defined in K.S.A. 47-1001, and amendments thereto.

These people obviously have never lived on a farm or ranch. And of course, I don’t want to shoot dogs but if they come back to kill again, they are officially a predator just like a coyote.

Am I wrong here? Their attitudes just make my blood boil.

You are NOT wrong. People should never let their dogs wander on someone else's property. That is wrong. However, it does go both ways. Your guineas need to stay on your property and not wander on the neighbor's property (just saying that, I have no idea if any of your animals had wandered...I assume not though).

People need to contain their animals, no matter what species, on their OWN property. I don't want to catch your cat or dog in my yard (which I've already taken measures to completely fence off). If I did catch someone's cat or dog on MY property, attacking my animals, I'd have no problem killing that cat or dog.

 

[pntdhorses]

I really hope this was just a one time incident and these dogs don’t come back but if they get out again, I’m sure they will head here.

My guineas are totally tame and have never wandered more than 100 feet or so from our house. They have their own coop that they would automatically go into every night. We live on 26 acres and there is a GPS invisible fence containment around the whole perimeter of our property so our dogs have never wandered off either. We try to be very diligent pet owners which I guess makes me the bad person in this situation according to our neighbors mindset.
We lived here for 5 years and never had dogs come thru and kill.

 

[Willowspirit]

These neighbors sound really unbalanced. Wow...

I hate to say it but many pet people are unbalanced about their fur babies! I love my dogs because they are not people. I treat them well but they are still dogs. If I were so irresponsible as to let my dog out and she killed the neighbor' chickens or ran their sheep or cattle I would expect her to be shot. But i know many dog owners don t live up to their responsibility for their dogs by pretending they are children.

 

[ChickenCanoe]

These are useful and enlightening discussions.
I've dealt with dog attacks about 6 or 7 times. I try to catch the dogs and have them taken by animal control so there is a record of the incident and so the owner has to pay a fine.
Missouri may even have a stronger statute than Kansas law. It was strengthened about 15 years ago.
Not only are you allowed to kill any dog worrying livestock but you can track that dog across the state and kill it wherever you find it except confined in a pen on its owner's property.
Just a few years ago, there was an episode of one of those TV judge shows of a case where a guy killed a dog that had killed his chickens. The judge calmly heard both sides. The dog owner was suing for thousands of dollars for the value of the dog and the pain and suffering from finding his dog dead.
The judge then decided the dog owner had no case. The dog owner was livid.
My wife had some of her friends over with their dogs to sit around a fire and drink wine.
One of her friends wasn't controlling her dog, some kind of shepherd mix. I kept telling her to call her dog back but she ignored me saying it wouldn't do any harm. After about 6 warnings, I said, "Kathy, don't make me kill your dog". She was incredulous saying I wouldn't do that. I said if it kills my chickens, I'll kill your dog. I pulled out the shotgun right about the time the dog discovered the chickens and went wild over them. She couldn't recall the dog but luckily the chickens flew over a fence before he caught any. I told her that I warned her but she still couldn't believe I would kill her dog.
I'm so glad I didn't need to or it would be an ugly situation to this day.
To shed some more light on the situation, Kathy is a chef who cooks many chickens every day. So she can't comprehend the concept of an extremely rare and valuable breed of chicken. All she knows is chicken and eggs. I tried but she just can't get that there are hundreds of breeds of chickens. To her, a chicken is a chicken that lives long enough to be human or pet food. She doesn't get the difference between a grocery store Cornish cross and a breed so rare that they are irreplaceable - like mine.

 

[Trux]

These are useful and enlightening discussions.
I've dealt with dog attacks about 6 or 7 times. I try to catch the dogs and have them taken by animal control so there is a record of the incident and so the owner has to pay a fine.
Missouri may even have a stronger statute than Kansas law. It was strengthened about 15 years ago.
Not only are you allowed to kill any dog worrying livestock but you can track that dog across the state and kill it wherever you find it except confined in a pen on its owner's property.
Just a few years ago, there was an episode of one of those TV judge shows of a case where a guy killed a dog that had killed his chickens. The judge calmly heard both sides. The dog owner was suing for thousands of dollars for the value of the dog and the pain and suffering from finding his dog dead.
The judge then decided the dog owner had no case. The dog owner was livid.
My wife had some of her friends over with their dogs to sit around a fire and drink wind.
One of her friends wasn't controlling her dog, some kind of shepherd mix. I kept telling her to call her dog back but she ignored me saying it wouldn't do any harm. After about 6 warnings, I said, "Kathy, don't make me kill your dog". She was incredulous saying I wouldn't do that. I said if it kills my chickens, I'll kill your dog. I pulled out the shotgun right about the time the dog discovered the chickens and went wild over them. She couldn't recall the dog but luckily the chickens flew over a fence before he caught any. I told her that I warned her but she still couldn't believe I would kill her dog.
I'm so glad I didn't need to or it would be an ugly situation to this day.

Wonders if Kathy has been over for wine lately