Self Blue (Lavender) Silkie Thread

[BetsyOK]

A quick look at several breeds on feathersite shows a very wide range of lavender to buff, with some nearly all lavender and some predominantly buff. I'd think that in a color that no standard has yet been established for the breed of chicken, no bird should be DQd for color that comes anywhere close. Judges have varying degrees of knowledge and experience. Of course, if that was one of the hens from me, you know that all the birds were from my project and not yet "finished." Pretty nice birds nevertheless. I'm sure you'll help us all improve the porcelains!

 

[LilPeeps]

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Not saying I agree with the judge's decision, but I understand the reasoning for disqualifying the bird. While porcelain isn't a recognized variety in silkies, it is recognized in several other breeds. If the bird is entered as a porcelain, it should be close to resembling the color and pattern of the porcelain variety as recognized by the APA and ABA. That would be like entering a bird as a blue laced red of a breed in which blr isn't a recognized variety, and it's really a blue partridge with too much red. It may look somewhat similar to what it should be, but it's not what it was entered as, and therefore will likely be disqualified...if that makes any sense. Personally, I don't think the judge should've disqualified the bird, especially seeing as he/she clearly isn't too familiar with the porcelain variety, but that's just me.

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

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Not saying I agree with the judge's decision, but I understand the reasoning for disqualifying the bird. While porcelain isn't a recognized variety in silkies, it is recognized in several other breeds. If the bird is entered as a porcelain, it should be close to resembling the color and pattern of the porcelain variety as recognized by the APA and ABA. That would be like entering a bird as a blue laced red of a breed in which blr isn't a recognized variety, and it's really a blue partridge with too much red. It may look somewhat similar to what it should be, but it's not what it was entered as, and therefore will likely be disqualified...if that makes any sense. Personally, I don't think the judge should've disqualified the bird, especially seeing as he/she clearly isn't too familiar with the porcelain variety, but that's just me.

Agreed. If the judged had DQed the bird for lack of mottling, it would have made some sense. There is a procedure for challenging a placement. Quite frankly, I think there need to be more challenges. And more uniformity in judging.

 

[fowlrus]

I raise Porcelain D'Uccle for years and this pullet that I entered are close as can be to a porcelain which is from Betsy - Thanks Betsy, she is a beautiful pullet, the lavender in her are well balanced with what I called light/cream buff, I was totally shocked when I saw that DQ on my tag, plus he wrote: this is not porcelain. You have never see me yell so lound.

I hunted him down and have at it, but the judge insist it's not porcelain. Well, I guess it's all depending on who or what he knew/recognize. To protest, it will cost me $25 in Bluebonnet Classic. I thought mybe I bring the issue out here, I might get more input/understanding than any where else which I did. Thanks all.

 

[Darling Farms]

I like the idea of a designer name.

They aren't quite porcelain yet... in the sense that the other breeds are. It seems silly to DQ the bird for having the wrong name!

I like the name Isabelle... pretty. Simple.

How about 'Ivory Farran' or 'Cream Farran'? Ivory means 'cream' and Farran means 'iron grey' from an old form of French.

Sorry, I woke up feeling whimsical this morning...

OR... Isabelle Farran? OR something in the meantime while the breeders find their way to a standard.

Does the name have to be consistent among breeders in all of the shows for it to become a recognized color for the breed?


~Darling Farms

 

[rilly10]

I think when I start showing my porcelains (hopefully this spring

) I was thinking of entering them as Pastel. They remind me of Pastel Call Ducks so maybe that would work?

 

[Sonoran Silkies]

Using all sorts of whimsical names really makes no sense; there is no consistencey for naming, and it will delay and impede the possibility of becoming recognised. There are too many ways that different judges judge based upon what is entered on coop tags versus what is in the cage. Some judge based upon the variety present in the cage, regardless of how it is entered, and if there are birds of the same variety, however they are entered, the judge will judge them together. Other judges will judge only as they are entered. So you might have three porcelains entered under different names and they will not be compared. I have seen good quality birds of recognised varieties disqualified becuase their coop card listed a different variety, to which they did not conform (for example a blue in a cage marked partridge).

Isabel is lavender diluted buff, it really should NOT show any lavender--same as a buff should not show any black. There is a standard for isabel, although it is not an American standard. If you have a bird who is almost completely isabel with very little lavender, by all means enter it as isabel, but if there is a fair amount of lavender, that is not a good plan.

Pastel is probably the only name that makes a lot of sense to me other than porcelain. I am pretty sure that George's long term goals for this variety that he created in silkies was to breed in the mottled gene. That is one of my plans, although at this point I am stabilizing mottled in my birds. This has been far more difficult than chocolate/khaki. I foresee that in 2 to 3 years I might have a true porcelain silkie.

 

[Darling Farms]

Glad to know

... that's why I asked if entering them as another name made a difference for recognition at this point!

 

[bacres]

I think the Silkie Club should run a poll to see what the color should be called. Then we can call them a certain color. I feel that the Isabel should be called pastel and Porcelain should only be for the lavender buff and mottleds.

 

[Gordonhillfarm]

I would say the breeder who worked on this color in the begginig. Deserves respect and should have the honor of nameing it. Just how I was taught. ( How would any of you like to put years of work into something , and others take control-- even by giving it a name ? ) Just my thoughts. Tammy